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Defiant Hull Resilience?

Posted: 2004-05-09 03:04pm
by McC
Okay...I don't really want to post in here because I'm quite convinced of Mike's overwhelming conclusions on the main site and have little interest in actually debating Trek vs Wars (much more interested in exploring the function of the technologies irrespective of pitting them against one another). I haven't really had a reason to post here, and I'm half-tempted to put this in the PST forum rather than here, but I don't know what the implications of it are (if any at all), so I'm putting it here just the same.

In the DS9 episode "Starship Down," the Defiant must travel in the atmosphere of a gas giant. The episode, IMO, is basically an excuse to use submarine tactics in space, but that's irrelevant to what I'm bringing up: there are two figures mentioned in the episode relating to the altitude of the Defiant and the atmospheric pressure (presumably) exerted on the Defiant's hull. At one point, it's mentioned that the Defiant's hull is at five million "GSC." A bit later, it's at nine million "GSC." At this point, it's mentioned that in six minutes, the ship's hull will be crushed by the pressure.

My first question: what the hell is GSC? I can't find it mentioned anywhere on any kind of pressure units site. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough, or maybe I'm just a moron. What gives?

Second: What are the implications of the resilience of the Defiant's hull given the above figures with relation to that of Imperial hull resilience? Mike discusses the structural stresses felt by Imperial ships merely undergoing acceleration (1.8 TPa for the Executor, as I read it). How do the two figures compare?

Finally, and perhaps this should actually be my first question: is GSC even a real unit? Or is it a made-up Treknounit? "Galactic Standard Compression" or something?

Thanks for reading.

Posted: 2004-05-09 03:07pm
by Ghost Rider
Since this is much more suited to PST, off it goes there.

Posted: 2004-05-09 03:10pm
by McC
Ok. Like I said, I was tempted to put it in PST, but wasn't really sure, so I went with the vs. forum. Thanks for moving it :)

Posted: 2004-05-09 04:30pm
by Burak Gazan
Just a complete WAG here, G = ? S = square C = centimetre ?

So, something something per sq. cm? However, it may be just "invented" terminology by the writing department that sounded cool :)

Posted: 2004-05-09 04:32pm
by Robert Walper
Burak Gazan wrote:Just a complete WAG here, G = ? S = square C = centimetre ?

So, something something per sq. cm? However, it may be just "invented" terminology by the writing department that sounded cool :)
G = 1 gigaton of atmospheric pressure. :twisted:

Posted: 2004-05-09 04:35pm
by McC
The only references I can find to it are on Trek stating that it stands for "gross structural compression." :|

Posted: 2004-05-09 04:40pm
by Kyle
Burak Gazan wrote:Just a complete WAG here, G = ? S = square C = centimetre ?

So, something something per sq. cm? However, it may be just "invented" terminology by the writing department that sounded cool :)
Well if you're gonna go with that theory G would most likely be Grams. But its most likely some made up ST unit, like isoton.

Posted: 2004-05-09 08:50pm
by Uraniun235
GSC = imaginary unit designed to prevent the writers from being pinned down by hard figures, and also to save them the effort of thinking too hard about it.

Oh! You want the in-context answer?

...well tough shit. Make something up yourself... god knows it'll probably be more plausible than the writers could come up with.

Posted: 2004-05-09 09:09pm
by Chris OFarrell
Uraniun235 wrote:GSC = imaginary unit designed to prevent the writers from being pinned down by hard figures, and also to save them the effort of thinking too hard about it.

Oh! You want the in-context answer?

...well tough shit. Make something up yourself... god knows it'll probably be more plausible than the writers could come up with.
For contrast, the NX-01 was able to go deep enough into a Gas Giants atmosphere that it was going through liquid....

Posted: 2004-05-09 10:39pm
by Uraniun235
*twitch*