Star Trek planet killers

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-03-29 02:45am

Interesting article on Star Trek planet killers.

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/f ... /1672.html

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-03-30 02:41am

Bah, Mike's Planet Killers page might not be that comprehensive on the Trek side, but its certainly far more entertaining.

Enola Straight · Post by **Enola Straight** » 2004-04-21 07:23pm

I think that the Planet Killer's extragalactic origin is unfounded: any machine which was required to eat that many planets could never survive the fuel-less void of intergalactic space.

Even if the PK had an initial thrust to some appreciable percentage of lightspeed and let Newtonian momentum/inertia take over, quite possibly even the Neutronium could've undergone radioactive decay and lost structural integrity.

Enola Straight · Post by **Enola Straight** » 2004-04-21 07:28pm

...because of the enormous time sublight would take to cross the void, that is...

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2004-04-21 11:16pm

It was speculation that the Planet Killer was extragalactic due to the projected back-course along the line of destroyed solar systems encountered by both the Constellation and the Enterprise. It is possible that the machine may have originated in one of the Magellanic Clouds, the two satellite galaxies to this one and only 150,000 ly distant. The machine also must be capable of FTL travel given that it destroyed planets in several solar systems before reaching L374. It would certainly never make it to another star in any reasonable timeframe at sublight.

1337n1nj4 · Post by **1337n1nj4** » 2004-04-22 01:26am

Peter David wrote a (pretty damn good) novel about this, probably close to 12 years ago, called "Vendetta."

Spoilers for those that care:

The planet killer was a weapon created by the "Preservers," that ancient species that Kick found out about in a few of the TOS episodes. At any rate, Picard (as a cadet) realized that the PK couldn't have come from an extragalactic origin because of the galactic barrier-- and this alien lady, the last of a species the Borg destroyed (and somehow related to Guinan) visits Picard, finds this information....and lo and behold, beyond the galactic rim, there's another PK, this one supercharged and ungodly powerful, ready to go. They were both theorized to have been used as weapons ages ago against the Borg. The mysterious woman manages to activate the thing and takes it on a nice romp across the Borg-- the real BOBW Borg, not the jerkoffs in Voyager. Hilarity ensues.

Needless to say, this conflicts with some later information about the Borg which is now unfortunately canon, despite this novel being infinitely excellent. But that's how the fish fries, I guess.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-22 02:38am

Just went through the main site index. No sign of a planet killers page.

Winston Blake · Post by **Winston Blake** » 2004-04-22 02:56am

Some articles aren't on the site idex, eg Brainbugs.

Planet Killers (under Essays in the navigation):
http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/ ... llers.html

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-04-22 11:49am

1337n1nj4 wrote:Peter David wrote a (pretty damn good) novel about this, probably close to 12 years ago, called "Vendetta."

Spoilers for those that care:

The planet killer was a weapon created by the "Preservers," that ancient species that Kick found out about in a few of the TOS episodes. At any rate, Picard (as a cadet) realized that the PK couldn't have come from an extragalactic origin because of the galactic barrier-- and this alien lady, the last of a species the Borg destroyed (and somehow related to Guinan) visits Picard, finds this information....and lo and behold, beyond the galactic rim, there's another PK, this one supercharged and ungodly powerful, ready to go. They were both theorized to have been used as weapons ages ago against the Borg. The mysterious woman manages to activate the thing and takes it on a nice romp across the Borg-- the real BOBW Borg, not the jerkoffs in Voyager. Hilarity ensues.

Needless to say, this conflicts with some later information about the Borg which is now unfortunately canon, despite this novel being infinitely excellent. But that's how the fish fries, I guess.

I'm going to try to keep that novel in mind...

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-04-22 11:52am

Robert Walper wrote:
1337n1nj4 wrote:Peter David wrote a (pretty damn good) novel about this, probably close to 12 years ago, called "Vendetta."

Spoilers for those that care:

The planet killer was a weapon created by the "Preservers," that ancient species that Kick found out about in a few of the TOS episodes. At any rate, Picard (as a cadet) realized that the PK couldn't have come from an extragalactic origin because of the galactic barrier-- and this alien lady, the last of a species the Borg destroyed (and somehow related to Guinan) visits Picard, finds this information....and lo and behold, beyond the galactic rim, there's another PK, this one supercharged and ungodly powerful, ready to go. They were both theorized to have been used as weapons ages ago against the Borg. The mysterious woman manages to activate the thing and takes it on a nice romp across the Borg-- the real BOBW Borg, not the jerkoffs in Voyager. Hilarity ensues.

Needless to say, this conflicts with some later information about the Borg which is now unfortunately canon, despite this novel being infinitely excellent. But that's how the fish fries, I guess.
I'm going to try to keep that novel in mind...

Now for that I'm astounded, given it's the first Borg novel as well.

Vendetta has to be the finest display of Borg power for TNG.

In the book they displayed intelligence, cunning, and actual strategy(then again so did the Feddies...and no technobabble solution saved their asss)

Jon · Post by **Jon** » 2004-04-22 12:16pm

Just a question, if something is defined on an official Star Trek, Paramount authorised sites (e.g- startrek.com), it's still non-canon?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-04-22 12:19pm

Jon wrote:Just a question, if something is defined on an official Star Trek, Paramount authorised sites (e.g- startrek.com), it's still non-canon?

Maybe not canon, but it is offical. So long as it doesn't contradict canon its acceptable in my book.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-04-22 12:20pm

Jon wrote:Just a question, if something is defined on an official Star Trek, Paramount authorised sites (e.g- startrek.com), it's still non-canon?

Linky

StarTrek.Com wrote:As a rule of thumb, the events that take place within the live action episodes and movies are canon, or official Star Trek facts. Story lines, characters, events, stardates, etc. that take place within the fictional novels, the Animated Adventures, and the various comic lines are not canon.

Jon · Post by **Jon** » 2004-04-22 12:34pm

Darth_Zod wrote:
Jon wrote:Just a question, if something is defined on an official Star Trek, Paramount authorised sites (e.g- startrek.com), it's still non-canon?
Linky

StarTrek.Com wrote:As a rule of thumb, the events that take place within the live action episodes and movies are canon, or official Star Trek facts. Story lines, characters, events, stardates, etc. that take place within the fictional novels, the Animated Adventures, and the various comic lines are not canon.

Indeed, but I had thought that only referred to non-official books/comics etc etc. This stuff that appears on st.com you'd expect to be canon- but i guess :

As a rule of thumb, the events that take place within the live action episodes and movies are canon

rules that out