Weapons power quote from 'Broken Link.'

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-03-28 12:11am

I was watching that ep a few days ago. While the Defiant is in orbit of the Founder's new homeworld, Garak makes an interesting statement about the capabilities of the Defiant.

"There is enough weaponry on this ship to burn that planet to a cinder."

Has this quote ever been addressed?

Because it would have apparently meant that the Defiant has equal firepower to that of the Cardassian Romulan fleet that was destrpyed earlier in the series. And Garak seems like someone who would know the capabilities of the Defiant.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-03-28 12:30am

Its been adressed and dismissed as a hyperbole for the most part.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-03-28 12:33am

Very well.

Has it been calculated what the Defiant could have done?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-03-28 12:41am

Gandalf wrote:Very well.

Has it been calculated what the Defiant could have done?

You have to make assumptions on what Garrack was meaning with the term "burn that planet to a cinder". We can estimate that the Defiant would have no more then a minute to do its job before its destroyed by the Jem'Hadar. It could even have as little as 10 seconds.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-03-28 01:02am

He did say he could end the Dominion. I assume he meant they could do at least some significant damage.

Maybe with some long lasting effects like radiation?

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-03-28 01:56am

Gandalf wrote:He did say he could end the Dominion. I assume he meant they could do at least some significant damage.

Maybe with some long lasting effects like radiation?

Well, without the Founders the Jem'hadar wouldn't be able to receive their doses of the white and thus they would die off and the Dominion would follow with it.

Macross · Post by **Macross** » 2004-03-28 02:59am

Garak was proably referring to a "nuclear holocaust" effect on the surface.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-03-28 05:35am

Macross wrote:Garak was proably referring to a "nuclear holocaust" effect on the surface.

Given the multi-megaton nature of the Defiants quantum torpedoes that is likely possibility.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-03-28 12:15pm

evilcat4000 wrote:
Macross wrote:Garak was proably referring to a "nuclear holocaust" effect on the surface.
Given the multi-megaton nature of the Defiants quantum torpedoes that is likely possibility.

In the short amount of time they would have had before being destroyed, I seriously doubt it.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-03-28 03:08pm

It's like the oft-repeated Cold War-era statement that the US and Soviet Union had enough nuclear firepower to destroy the entire planet several times over. It is a purely qualitative statement, probably hyperbole, that is so inconsistent with other observations that it can only be believed when the capability in question is verifiably demonstrated.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-03-28 03:14pm

The statement would gain even a bit more credibility had Garrak used proper terms to quantify the damage. Like saying "slag the planet". But instead Garrak used just about the vaguest (yet still obviously destructive term) he could. I suspect this was intentional on the part of the writers.

Fleet Admiral Thompson · Post by **Fleet Admiral Thompson** » 2004-05-20 11:45pm

evilcat4000 wrote:
Macross wrote:Garak was proably referring to a "nuclear holocaust" effect on the surface.
Given the multi-megaton nature of the Defiants quantum torpedoes that is likely possibility.

Actually, I think that quantum torpedoes are more than just multi-megaton. Based on "Cost Of Living"(TNG), where the Enterprise destroys a huge asteroid. Using the very minimum diameter (640 meters), and the SD.net asteroid calculator, I have discovered that the torpedo output (again the very minimum output) is about 2 gigatons, assuming that asteroid was a nickle/iron one, for two photon torps, so I think the energy output of a quantum torpedoes would actually be milti-gigaton.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2004-05-21 12:35am

Garak is not the kind of person to simply throw away his life for no gain, when the probable result of his actions would be a massive attack on the AQ that would leave Cardasia burned to a crisp.

MY guess is that the Founders only occupy a relativly localised part of the planet in the great link. Probably in the dozens to hundreds of kilometers. If its an area that small and localised, the Defiant could probably vaporise all the founders before the Jem'Hadar could react. Which would cause a cascade down the Dominion and quite possibly its collapse.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-05-21 01:53am

Fleet Admiral Thompson wrote:
evilcat4000 wrote:
Macross wrote:Garak was proably referring to a "nuclear holocaust" effect on the surface.
Given the multi-megaton nature of the Defiants quantum torpedoes that is likely possibility.
Actually, I think that quantum torpedoes are more than just multi-megaton. Based on "Cost Of Living"(TNG), where the Enterprise destroys a huge asteroid. Using the very minimum diameter (640 meters), and the SD.net asteroid calculator, I have discovered that the torpedo output (again the very minimum output) is about 2 gigatons, assuming that asteroid was a nickle/iron one, for two photon torps, so I think the energy output of a quantum torpedoes would actually be milti-gigaton.

Quantum torpedoes were not available during the TNG era. The Enterprise-D only had photon torpedoes.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-05-21 01:57am

Fleet Admiral Thompson wrote: Actually, I think that quantum torpedoes are more than just multi-megaton. Based on "Cost Of Living"(TNG), where the Enterprise destroys a huge asteroid. Using the very minimum diameter (640 meters), and the SD.net asteroid calculator, I have discovered that the torpedo output (again the very minimum output) is about 2 gigatons, assuming that asteroid was a nickle/iron one, for two photon torps, so I think the energy output of a quantum torpedoes would actually be milti-gigaton.

By that do you mean, "DarkStar has claimed that the output was 2 GT's?"

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2004-05-21 10:31am

Gandalf wrote:Has this quote ever been addressed?

It's just another in a long series of exaggerated character claims. We can probably guess that the Defiant could have destroyed the lake of Founders that constituted the Great Link, but anything beyond that is overkill anyway.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-05-21 11:41am

Fleet Admiral Thompson wrote:
evilcat4000 wrote:
Macross wrote:Garak was proably referring to a "nuclear holocaust" effect on the surface.
Given the multi-megaton nature of the Defiants quantum torpedoes that is likely possibility.
Actually, I think that quantum torpedoes are more than just multi-megaton. Based on "Cost Of Living"(TNG), where the Enterprise destroys a huge asteroid. Using the very minimum diameter (640 meters), and the SD.net asteroid calculator, I have discovered that the torpedo output (again the very minimum output) is about 2 gigatons, assuming that asteroid was a nickle/iron one, for two photon torps, so I think the energy output of a quantum torpedoes would actually be milti-gigaton.

Cost of Living has been analyzed time and again fuckbag. What we see is totally inconsistnet with a nuclear explosion, in terms of speed, luminosity, and being consistent with other examples in terk. You cannot take one example and hold it above all the others you know (wait, no, I doubt you do know that, RSA does that all the time and you are currently swinging from his sack)

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-05-22 12:21am

Fleet Admiral Thompson wrote:
evilcat4000 wrote:
Macross wrote:Garak was proably referring to a "nuclear holocaust" effect on the surface.
Given the multi-megaton nature of the Defiants quantum torpedoes that is likely possibility.
Actually, I think that quantum torpedoes are more than just multi-megaton. Based on "Cost Of Living"(TNG), where the Enterprise destroys a huge asteroid. Using the very minimum diameter (640 meters), and the SD.net asteroid calculator, I have discovered that the torpedo output (again the very minimum output) is about 2 gigatons, assuming that asteroid was a nickle/iron one, for two photon torps, so I think the energy output of a quantum torpedoes would actually be milti-gigaton.

The 2GT figure is for vapourisation of the asteroid.

IIRC the asteroids were fragmented.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-05-22 12:48am

Where does this 640m figure come from, and why do the visible fragments not clue in FAThead to the fact that the asteroid was fragmented, not vapourized?

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2004-05-22 05:12pm

Fleet Admiral Thompson wrote:
evilcat4000 wrote:
Macross wrote:Garak was proably referring to a "nuclear holocaust" effect on the surface.
Given the multi-megaton nature of the Defiants quantum torpedoes that is likely possibility.
Actually, I think that quantum torpedoes are more than just multi-megaton. Based on "Cost Of Living"(TNG), where the Enterprise destroys a huge asteroid. Using the very minimum diameter (640 meters), and the SD.net asteroid calculator, I have discovered that the torpedo output (again the very minimum output) is about 2 gigatons, assuming that asteroid was a nickle/iron one, for two photon torps, so I think the energy output of a quantum torpedoes would actually be milti-gigaton.

The universe maybe finite, but your stupidity obviously isn't.

What are you going to claim next? That the Klingons have 50,000 ships and their 150+ year old battlecruisers can destroy ISD in one shot?

FOG3 · Post by **FOG3** » 2004-05-24 08:05pm

Maybe Garak accessed Federation files to watch The Day the Earth Stood Still one to many times.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-05-24 11:25pm

FOG3 wrote:Maybe Garak accessed Federation files to watch The Day the Earth Stood Still one to many times.

lol.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2004-05-25 02:17am

Darth Wong wrote:Where does this 640m figure come from, and why do the visible fragments not clue in FAThead to the fact that the asteroid was fragmented, not vapourized?

Because he's simply trying to get the biggest numbers possible for Trek firepower estimates no matter the cost.

I suggest that you hit FAT over the head with the above pictured object as hard as you can as often as you can for his sheer stupidity and fucktardedness...

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-05-25 09:14am

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Where does this 640m figure come from, and why do the visible fragments not clue in FAThead to the fact that the asteroid was fragmented, not vapourized?
Because he's simply trying to get the biggest numbers possible for Trek firepower estimates no matter the cost.

It basically backfired, since the asteroid in question was fragmented, not vapourised as he said.

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2004-05-25 09:29am

evilcat4000 wrote:
Macross wrote:Garak was proably referring to a "nuclear holocaust" effect on the surface.
Given the multi-megaton nature of the Defiants quantum torpedoes that is likely possibility.

Just out of curiousity, in the episode where Voyagers gets hand of quantum torpedos, what was the object they blew up to test it? (and in how far was it damaged)

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