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How did Kirk and Co. manage to stay on Vulcan for 3 months without being arrested? Wouldn't Starfleet send someone, or ask the Vulcan government to arrest them? And what was Saavik doing there, since they left her there? Was she just on indefinite leave?

I think in TOS era they portray the Vulcans as being semi independent.
Maybe they hid from Starfleet. Who knows?

Metrion Cascade wrote:How did Kirk and Co. manage to stay on Vulcan for 3 months without being arrested? Wouldn't Starfleet send someone, or ask the Vulcan government to arrest them?

Perhaps they were left there to help Spock? Or the Vulcan Government disagreed with the charges? Or perhaps Starfleet was in no hurry to procecute a hero (though they'd almost certainly want the BoP).

And what was Saavik doing there, since they left her there? Was she just on indefinite leave?

Perhaps she was assigned there?

Gandalf wrote:I think in TOS era they portray the Vulcans as being semi independent.
Maybe they hid from Starfleet. Who knows?

The Federation president had a message from Kirk about the events of ST3, that was played before the Federation council. The council also knew all the events of ST3 (title error there - this thread should say "ST4 question" since the 3 months figure comes from ST4), and had the footage of the E-nil being destroyed. God knows who took that - maybe Kirk sent them saved footage from the BOP they stole. They even had footage, taken on the E-nil's bridge, of the self-destruct countdown. And Bones complained about Starfleet not sending a ship to pick them up. He wouldn't do that if he knew Starfleet were unaware of their location.

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:

Metrion Cascade wrote:How did Kirk and Co. manage to stay on Vulcan for 3 months without being arrested? Wouldn't Starfleet send someone, or ask the Vulcan government to arrest them?

Perhaps they were left there to help Spock? Or the Vulcan Government disagreed with the charges? Or perhaps Starfleet was in no hurry to procecute a hero (though they'd almost certainly want the BoP).

Yeah. I can see the politics, but I can't imagine Starfleet not jumping on the cloak.

And what was Saavik doing there, since they left her there? Was she just on indefinite leave?

Perhaps she was assigned there?

Assigned to what command, if there's no Starfleet presence?

Metrion Cascade wrote:
Yeah. I can see the politics, but I can't imagine Starfleet not jumping on the cloak.

They do have at least one Romulan cloak (albiet old by then).

Assigned to what command, if there's no Starfleet presence?

I'd assume they have at least a starship or two there. Or maybe she works at an embassy?

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:

Metrion Cascade wrote:
Yeah. I can see the politics, but I can't imagine Starfleet not jumping on the cloak.

They do have at least one Romulan cloak (albiet old by then).

Is this before or after the treaty saying Feds can't have cloaks? If it's before, then I'd say the Romulan cloak hasn't told them enough. Otherwise, with no legal impediment, they'd probably have cloaks on their ships. Maybe they'd consider the Klingon cloak a way to get there faster. Of course, if this is after that treaty they can't develop cloaks at all and the Klingon one is only good for studying so they can learn to see through cloaks.

Assigned to what command, if there's no Starfleet presence?

I'd assume they have at least a starship or two there. Or maybe she works at an embassy?

McCoy said they hadn't sent any ships. Which he probably wouldn't say if there were already ships there. And any ships stationed on Vulcan should have sent someone to escort Kirk's BOP home. And I find it unlikely that embassies are used within the Federation. It would be a bit like California having an American embassy to California, staffed by US military. Why would the Federation, of which Vulcan is a member, need an embassy there?

Metrion Cascade wrote:

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:

Metrion Cascade wrote:
Yeah. I can see the politics, but I can't imagine Starfleet not jumping on the cloak.

They do have at least one Romulan cloak (albiet old by then).

Is this before or after the treaty saying Feds can't have cloaks? If it's before, then I'd say the Romulan cloak hasn't told them enough. Otherwise, with no legal impediment, they'd probably have cloaks on their ships. Maybe they'd consider the Klingon cloak a way to get there faster. Of course, if this is after that treaty they can't develop cloaks at all and the Klingon one is only good for studying so they can learn to see through cloaks.

Before: IIRC, the Federation was prohibited from developing or using cloaks by the Treaty of Algeron, which was signed in 2311 (25 years after ST4) following a brief but bloody clash with the Romulans known as the Tomed Incident.

Ma Deuce wrote:Before: IIRC, the Federation was prohibited from developing or using cloaks by the Treaty of Algeron, which was signed in 2311 (25 years after ST4) following a brief but bloody clash with the Romulans known as the Tomed Incident.

Developing/using and studying are different things.

If you go back to the beginning of ST4, Kirk states his log entry that they're into the third month of their Vulcan exile. It could be that they're under some kind of house arrest, perhaps until Spock is capable of testifying or something along those lines.

Thag wrote:If you go back to the beginning of ST4, Kirk states his log entry that they're into the third month of their Vulcan exile. It could be that they're under some kind of house arrest, perhaps until Spock is capable of testifying or something along those lines.

Then why did they still have the Klingon BoP?

Stofsk wrote:

Thag wrote:If you go back to the beginning of ST4, Kirk states his log entry that they're into the third month of their Vulcan exile. It could be that they're under some kind of house arrest, perhaps until Spock is capable of testifying or something along those lines.

Then why did they still have the Klingon BoP?

It's a sweet ride.

Stofsk wrote:

Thag wrote:If you go back to the beginning of ST4, Kirk states his log entry that they're into the third month of their Vulcan exile. It could be that they're under some kind of house arrest, perhaps until Spock is capable of testifying or something along those lines.

Then why did they still have the Klingon BoP?

Don't know. You would think that SF Command would at least send an intel team or something like that to take it over. The best I can figure is that the Vulcans told the Starfleet to stay away from them or risk an diplomatic incident.

And I find it unlikely that embassies are used within the Federation. It would be a bit like California having an American embassy to California, staffed by US military.

No. It would be like Britain having an American embassy to Britain, staffed by US military. I'm pretty sure the Federation was meant to be more analogous to the United Nations than to the United States.

Then why did they still have the Klingon BoP?

The Vulcans are probably quite capable of examining the BOP. In fact, they rebuilt it to some extent, given the redesigned bridge.

Starfleet has limited resources. Why divert a starship just to pick up a few people when they could just fly the BOP back to Earth themselves?

Uraniun235 wrote:

And I find it unlikely that embassies are used within the Federation. It would be a bit like California having an American embassy to California, staffed by US military.

No. It would be like Britain having an American embassy to Britain, staffed by US military. I'm pretty sure the Federation was meant to be more analogous to the United Nations than to the United States.

Conceded.

Then why did they still have the Klingon BoP?

The Vulcans are probably quite capable of examining the BOP. In fact, they rebuilt it to some extent, given the redesigned bridge.

Starfleet has limited resources. Why divert a starship just to pick up a few people when they could just fly the BOP back to Earth themselves?

This does seem to be the case, but why would they trust Kirk to fly it back with no supervision?

In the novelization by Vonda "Oh crap! The Crystal Star writer!" McIntire, as Kirk and co headed for Genesis with the stolen Enterprise, Uhura dodged some Starfleet security personnel and she just managed to get to the Vulcan embassy. The security guys tried to arrest Uhura for her involvement in the theft, but Sarek was adamant that they had no power to do so on what was technically "Vulcan soil".

This does seem to be the case, but why would they trust Kirk to fly it back with no supervision?

Where is he going to go? Plus, he and his crew are the only people who know how to fly it well as they were present while it was overhauled by the Vulcans.

Could it be that not utilizing the cloaking device is a stipulation of some kind of treaty? Perhaps one we aren't aware of. I know this is blind, stinking, repugnant speculation, but, honestly, what else have we got? (I know this next part is a major fallacy but fook it.) We are talking about a group of folks who can simply "invert the polarity of the warp field generators in order to cause a tachyon reflux induction into the subspace temporal anomaly. Should have the effect of negating any further temporal displacement in the immediate area, as well." And cloaking tech isn't exactly new, it's concievable, therefore, that the feds should have had a working cloak long before that phase watchamajiggy that kinda worked but not really.

Now I'll go read the rest of the thread since I bet we've long left the cloak argument and I failed to quote the passage I'm addressing, and really added nothing substantive to the discussion other than maybe raising a question that been raised 1e17 times already.