pure battleships

Antares · Post by **Antares** » 2004-02-18 05:12pm

Are there any ships in the federation that are only designed for combat?
I just wondered if such ships exist. The ships that come to my mind then are the Prometheus class, the Achilles class and the Defiant class.

Are there any more?

(use the end of the canon time-line only please)

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2004-02-18 06:13pm

Steamrunner I think was designed with combat in mind.

Super-Gagme · Post by **Super-Gagme** » 2004-02-18 06:21pm

Wasn't the Akira as well? Pretty much any ship built after the re-design thing post Wolf 359 was combat geared. Atleast I think so..

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-18 06:26pm

Defiant's the only pure warship, as in designed solely for combat, no science labs, no exploration gear, nothing but weapons, engines, shields, and crew space that I know of.

Oberleutnant · Post by **Oberleutnant** » 2004-02-18 06:30pm

From what little we know, it seems that Norway was designed as some kind of patrol vessel.

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2004-02-18 06:31pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Defiant's the only pure warship, as in designed solely for combat, no science labs, no exploration gear, nothing but weapons, engines, shields, and crew space that I know of.

Prometheus

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2004-02-18 06:36pm

Antares wrote:Are there any ships in the federation that are only designed for combat?
I just wondered if such ships exist. The ships that come to my mind then are the Prometheus class, the Achilles class and the Defiant class.

Are there any more?

(use the end of the canon time-line only please)

Are Achillies canon? I nevcer heard of them before, outside games and fanfics.

Antares · Post by **Antares** » 2004-02-18 06:56pm

The achilles can be seen very short at the end of the voyager series.
Its part of the defense force.

I have seen both episodes only once so i might be wrong.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-18 06:58pm

I've never heard of them.

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2004-02-18 07:00pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I've never heard of them.

First appeared in the rather shit "Dominion Wars" game. Weren't that great really.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-02-18 07:23pm

Antares wrote:The achilles can be seen very short at the end of the voyager series.
Its part of the defense force.

I have seen both episodes only once so i might be wrong.

IIRC that is the Prometheus.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2004-02-18 08:58pm

Achilles is a non-canon ship.

Prommys, Defiants, Akiras, Sovereigns, War-Galaxys and Steamrunners are warships.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-18 09:11pm

Sharp-kun wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:Defiant's the only pure warship, as in designed solely for combat, no science labs, no exploration gear, nothing but weapons, engines, shields, and crew space that I know of.
Prometheus

Never heard of it. Voyager, I'm assuming? I didn't watch Voyager because I lost interest. Never even heard how much it sucked until the series was over.

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2004-02-18 09:26pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Sharp-kun wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:Defiant's the only pure warship, as in designed solely for combat, no science labs, no exploration gear, nothing but weapons, engines, shields, and crew space that I know of.
Prometheus
Never heard of it. Voyager, I'm assuming? I didn't watch Voyager because I lost interest. Never even heard how much it sucked until the series was over.

Its from the episode "Message in a Bottle". Probably Voyagers best episode.

The Doctor gets sent back to the Alpha Quadrant, and end up on a prototype battleship, the Prometheus, thats been captured by Romulans. He and the EMH Mk. II have to recapture the ship. Hillarity ensues. Also the Prometheus' "Multi Vector Attack Mode"" was rather nice, despite what some people say ^^

Also of note is that the Feds when they arrived didn't bother with diplomacy. 2 Defiants and an Akira came in guns blazing

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-02-18 09:36pm

If regular Galaxies were upgraded to War Galaxies, then what of the Nebulas (which were designed, if I recall, as a cheaper alternative to the Galaxies)? Or does that not count, given the flexible nature of the Nebula class - by that, I mean if the mission is combat related they put on that torpedo "rollbar," if the mission is scientific they put on, I assume, a spacelab in the same area.

The Nebula class has always interested me because it looks cool, in a weird sort of way. Was it upgraded alongside the Galaxies, or were such upgrades unnecessary?

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-02-18 10:31pm

Antares wrote:Are there any ships in the federation that are only designed for combat?
I just wondered if such ships exist. The ships that come to my mind then are the Prometheus class, the Achilles class and the Defiant class.

Are there any more?

(use the end of the canon time-line only please)

Depends really, for it seems that in the 2360's to 2370's, ships turned from explorers with combat capability to combat ships with exploration capabilities.

The Sov and Steamrunner and to a lesser extent, the Akira seem to follow these lines. Ships like the Defient are 'pure' combat ships, but even at that they are limited in what they can do due to size and scope.

The Prometheus seems to be a real sized realization of the Defient.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-02-19 12:14am

The Sovergein is a pure warship since it is designed for combat and has no civilians onboard.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-19 12:46am

evilcat4000 wrote:The Sovergein is a pure warship since it is designed for combat and has no civilians onboard.

But it has science labs, exploration loadouts, and whatnot as well, correct? Not a pure warship unless its designed along the lines of the U.S.S. Iowa, not the U.S.S. Iowa with oceanography and marine biology labs mixed in everywhere.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-02-19 01:17am

There are no Federation ship without a science lab. Even the pure warship Defiant has science labs. So it not unusal for the Sovergein to have science lab even though it is a pure warship.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-19 02:19am

Do you consider the Constitution class a pure warship just because there's no civilians on board?

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-02-19 02:23am

evilcat4000 wrote:There are no Federation ship without a science lab. Even the pure warship Defiant has science labs.

Proof please.

El Moose Monstero · Post by **El Moose Monstero** » 2004-02-19 02:33am

Werent they mentioned or shown in 'The Ship'? I have a hazy memory of some sort of laboratory.... it was one of the episodes where the Defiant gets a chunk taken out of it at least...

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-02-19 02:47am

Howedar wrote:
evilcat4000 wrote:There are no Federation ship without a science lab. Even the pure warship Defiant has science labs.
Proof please.

Not sure about the Defiant but the other Fed ships like the Enterprise-D and Voyger had science labs. Please correct me if I am wrong.

SWPIGWANG · Post by **SWPIGWANG** » 2004-02-19 04:26am

considering how technobabble saved their asses all the time, one would wonder if science lab is actually an useful asset on warships.....

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2004-02-19 04:48am

SWPIGWANG wrote:considering how technobabble saved their asses all the time, one would wonder if science lab is actually an useful asset on warships.....

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