Ron Moore

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2004-02-14 06:04am

Not sure if this should be here but...
How is Ron Moore as a writer? He is doing work on the new Battlestar Galactica..will good or bad result from this?

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-02-14 07:38am

He wrote some good episodes, and some stupid ones, and I don't consider him to be on the same level as B&B, but apparently Neo-BSG was shit so I'm not sure how good he is.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2004-02-14 02:17pm

Ron Moore was one of the guiding forces behind DS9. He worked on Voyager briefly but quit because the stupidity was just too much for him. (He gave a very revealing interview on Voyager and modern Star Trek in general before ENT came around, what it's problems were both internal and external... if anyone is interested I can put it up for download on my webspace) As mentioned, he was one of the guiding forces behind neo-Battlestar Galactica. He was also, along with Braga IIRC, one of the two major writers of ST: Generations, but admits in the interview above that Generations didn't turn out too well; he blamed 'trying to do too much in too little time' in that interview, and he was quoted elsewhere as saying Berman sunk Generations with some ludicrously long laundry list of things they "had" to do in Generations.

Ron Moore was also IIRC one of the people who wrote a lot of the TNG+ Klingon-oriented episodes, but I could be wrong about that.

I think his heart was in the right place when it came to Star Trek, but his execution leaves something to be desired.

In a neoBSG series, any "challenge the Commander's authority" dialogue will likely be a result of Ron Moore, as that was one of his pet ideas that he wanted to try out in Voyager but never got a chance to. That "we need to start having babies" dialogue in the miniseries? I'd bet dollars to donuts that was Moore too, because that was another of his specific gripes about Voyager.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2004-02-14 03:19pm

Uraniun235 wrote:Ron Moore was one of the guiding forces behind DS9. He worked on Voyager briefly but quit because the stupidity was just too much for him. (He gave a very revealing interview on Voyager and modern Star Trek in general before ENT came around, what it's problems were both internal and external... if anyone is interested I can put it up for download on my webspace)

Sounds interesting. Let's have it, please.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2004-02-14 03:45pm

Interview with Ronald D. Moore

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2004-02-14 03:46pm

Uraniun235 wrote:Interview with Ronald D. Moore

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StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2004-02-14 05:19pm

Stofsk wrote:...but apparently Neo-BSG was shit so I'm not sure how good he is.

No, it wasn't...

So far, my only Ron Moore experience has been that two-parter with Sela from TNG, Generations (which I thought was fair up until the end), and the BSG miniseries. I say give him a chance.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2004-02-14 05:31pm

Uraniun235 wrote:Interview with Ronald D. Moore

Thanks. That was a very interesting article. I'd be curious to see what Moore has to say about "Enterprise".

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2004-02-14 11:33pm

Stofsk wrote:He wrote some good episodes, and some stupid ones, and I don't consider him to be on the same level as B&B, but apparently Neo-BSG was shit so I'm not sure how good he is.

I thought neo-BSG was quite good. While it is different in some respects, Starbuck being a woman for example, the central theme seems to be intact in the mini-series. I only hope that they stick to the central theme of the original BSG, and its episodes, otherwise it will become some persons wee sci-fi wankfest masquerading as BSG, and not BSG.
If they throw the baby out with the bathwater then the series will be a flop.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-02-15 02:09am

StarshipTitanic wrote:
Stofsk wrote:...but apparently Neo-BSG was shit so I'm not sure how good he is.
No, it wasn't... So far, my only Ron Moore experience has been that two-parter with Sela from TNG, Generations (which I thought was fair up until the end), and the BSG miniseries. I say give him a chance.

Don't roll your eyes at me.

There are some people who are of the opinion that Neo-BSG is shit - however, if you bothered to read what I wrote you'll note that I'm not sure if he (Ron Moore) sucks or not. Because I haven't seen Neo-BSG I can't give my own personal opinion, all I can say is "it's apparently shit" - based off of other people's opinions and criticisms, who do find it apparent. What I have read of it hasn't made me wait breathlessly for it's arrival down here (something about the XO and Starbuck having a punch-on, the needless sex etc).

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2004-02-15 02:14am

Stofsk wrote:
StarshipTitanic wrote:
Stofsk wrote:...but apparently Neo-BSG was shit so I'm not sure how good he is.
No, it wasn't... So far, my only Ron Moore experience has been that two-parter with Sela from TNG, Generations (which I thought was fair up until the end), and the BSG miniseries. I say give him a chance.
Don't roll your eyes at me. There are some people who are of the opinion that Neo-BSG is shit - however, if you bothered to read what I wrote you'll note that I'm not sure if he (Ron Moore) sucks or not. Because I haven't seen Neo-BSG I can't give my own personal opinion, all I can say is "it's apparently shit" - based off of other people's opinions and criticisms, who do find it apparent. What I have read of it hasn't made me wait breathlessly for it's arrival down here (something about the XO and Starbuck having a punch-on, the needless sex etc).

Well there is a bit of needless sex right off the bat...I put that down to events/relationships prior to the Cylon attack.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2004-02-15 02:36am

Stofsk wrote: Don't roll your eyes at me. There are some people who are of the opinion that Neo-BSG is shit - however, if you bothered to read what I wrote you'll note that I'm not sure if he (Ron Moore) sucks or not. Because I haven't seen Neo-BSG I can't give my own personal opinion, all I can say is "it's apparently shit" - based off of other people's opinions and criticisms, who do find it apparent. What I have read of it hasn't made me wait breathlessly for it's arrival down here (something about the XO and Starbuck having a punch-on, the needless sex etc).

And if you bothered to read the other side of the spectrum instead of basing everything on the "It's shit!" crowd, you would have a more informed opinion. Apparently, you did not.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-02-15 02:42am

Nice unjustifed assumption. I say three fucking words, and express doubt at the end, and that puts me squarely into the "it's shit!" camp? Bravo.

For your information I did read the other side's view on the matter, and it isn't apparent I didn't (once again, do I have to point out where I slammed Ron Moore for being a talentless hack? Oh wait, I didn't). The spoilers I've read haven't endeared me to the show, but that in and of itself doesn't justify a rant one way or the other. If you can picture a spectrum, I'm a little bit off the centre favouring the "anti-Neo-BSG" crowd, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't reject viewing it.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2004-02-15 02:45am

Stuart Mackey wrote:
Well there is a bit of needless sex right off the bat...I put that down to events/relationships prior to the Cylon attack.

I found it more believable than the implied crap tv shows are forced to do instead. Massive spoiler as Stofsk hasn't seen it: And also it demonstrates the Cylon's tactic of exploiting human weaknesses, like lust. I'm hopeful that the Cylons will prove to be one of the best villians out there because they know us inside and out, literally and figuratively. So much better than faceless, bumbling zombies that robodogs can beat.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2004-02-15 02:52am

StarshipTitanic wrote:
Stuart Mackey wrote:
Well there is a bit of needless sex right off the bat...I put that down to events/relationships prior to the Cylon attack.
I found it more believable than the implied crap tv shows are forced to do instead. Massive spoiler as Stofsk hasn't seen it: snip spoiler

I agree.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2004-02-15 02:54am

and express doubt at the end

It reads that you express doubt about Moore, not BSG. Obviously, your message is very unclear....

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-02-15 03:20am

Very well, I'll rephrase. I am uncertain about Ron Moore's writing ability. I'm dubious about it (Londo: "Use the word dubious! It doesn't mean anything, but it scares people!").

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-02-15 03:42am

Based on information about Ron Moore in this thread he seems to be a good choice for a Star Trek writter.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2004-02-15 03:48am

Stofsk wrote:(Londo: "Use the word dubious! It doesn't mean anything, but it scares people!").

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-02-15 03:49am

evilcat4000 wrote:Based on information about Ron Moore in this thread he seems to be a good choice for a Star Trek writter.

Which unfortunately these days isn't saying much. The proverbial monkies with typewriters would also probably score highly.

Neo-BSG was just an atrocity. Leaving aside the pointless departure from the orginal BSG what he created was a monutmental pile of shit.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2004-02-15 03:54am

Iceberg wrote:
Uraniun235 wrote:Interview with Ronald D. Moore
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