ENT Twilight

[Jason von Evil]

I'm watching Twilight right now and was wondered why the Vulcans just seemed to abandon humanity and why the Andorians weren't helping. You'd think that one Andorian would've helped the survivors in some way.

[JME2]

They went into the Expanse against Soval and the VHC's advice. I mean, would you continue to support an ally that doesn't do what you suggest it does? As for the Andorians, with the exception of Sharn, they probably are mistrustful of anything even remotely connected to their hated foes.

[Laird]

I'm watching Twilight right now and was wondered why the Vulcans just seemed to abandon humanity and why the Andorians weren't helping. You'd think that one Andorian would've helped the survivors in some way.

They did,well....kinda that general andorian(weeyoun?) gave them shield technology.

[Metrion Cascade]

I'm watching Twilight right now and was wondered why the Vulcans just seemed to abandon humanity and why the Andorians weren't helping. You'd think that one Andorian would've helped the survivors in some way.

He did. Malcolm said something like "Well, it looks like these shields work in combat." And Tucker said, "Remind me to send a thank-you note to General Shran."

Shields aren't exactly a minor contribution, methinks.

[Metrion Cascade]

They went into the Expanse against Soval and the VHC's advice. I mean, would you continue to support an ally that doesn't do what you suggest it does? As for the Andorians, with the exception of Sharn, they probably are mistrustful of anything even remotely connected to their hated foes.

They wound up joining the Federation by the TOS movies, didn't they? And if, say, the Canadian government made a mistake (or a decision that I considered a mistake) and it got 99% of Canadians killed, I'd still expect the US government to have the basic compassion to help the survivors. The fact that somebody's government makes decisions you don't like doesn't mean their whole race deserves to be hunted down and killed. I don't think I could stomach that no matter what the situation. Honestly, had I written the episode, I would have made it clear that Shran had sent a small horde of Andorian ships (and that they would take a day or two to arrive). I'd also have T'Pol go off and kill some Xindi with her bare hands, Hulk-style.

[JME2]

Who knows - perhaps Soval has more pull with VHC than we know. And I still think that he knows more about the Xindi and their role in the TCW than he's letting on...

[Jason von Evil]

I was wondering more about why neither race had the human survivors relocate close to their territories. I would've let them settle on that disputed planet.

Also, do you think the NX-02 was destroyed at Earth or was it part of one of the two unlucky convoys?

[Metrion Cascade]

I was wondering more about why neither race had the human survivors relocate close to their territories. I would've let them settle on that disputed planet.

Also, do you think the NX-02 was destroyed at Earth or was it part of one of the two unlucky convoys?

I'm betting on "destroyed at Earth." The NX-01 saved its convoy, and I don't think character shields are that strong. IIRC T'Pol didn't mention any Xindi attacks during the trip, but it seems absurd that the Xindi wouldn't have attacked the biggest threat - NX-01 and Archer.

My issue - I think the Xindi Death Star is a DET weapon. Just a slow one. When it fired on Earth, it looked like lava was pushing the crust up, and splitting it. This, to me, says the mantle was being heated and that's what blew the planet up. The only real explanation I've heard is that it's a "funky ST chain reaction." Well, funky ST chain reactions are impossible, and we should be defaulting to actual physics until it's plainly stated that ST physics are different in that regard (such as with warp drive or transporters).

[Sarevok]

I'm watching Twilight right now and was wondered why the Vulcans just seemed to abandon humanity and why the Andorians weren't helping. You'd think that one Andorian would've helped the survivors in some way.

He did. Malcolm said something like "Well, it looks like these shields work in combat." And Tucker said, "Remind me to send a thank-you note to General Shran."

Shields aren't exactly a minor contribution, methinks.

Interesting. So thats how the Federation found shield technology.

[Metrion Cascade]

I'm watching Twilight right now and was wondered why the Vulcans just seemed to abandon humanity and why the Andorians weren't helping. You'd think that one Andorian would've helped the survivors in some way.

He did. Malcolm said something like "Well, it looks like these shields work in combat." And Tucker said, "Remind me to send a thank-you note to General Shran."

Shields aren't exactly a minor contribution, methinks.

Interesting. So thats how the Federation found shield technology.

No. The events of "Twilight" were erased from history, and Enterprise isn't part of normal Trek continuity anyway.

[TheDarkling]

Enterprise isn't part of normal Trek continuity anyway.

And why is that?

[Col. Crackpot]

Enterprise isn't part of normal Trek continuity anyway.

And why is that?

because we say so..... and because the stupid, it burns.

[TheDarkling]

because we say so..... and because the stupid, it burns.

The stupidity of Enterprise as a whole is far less than specific examples in the other shows (and Voyager as a whole), as for you saying so - does that mean people can now pick and choose what they want as canon? Should be inteesting when some people admit novels and other dismiss specific scenes in episodes on a whim.

[Metrion Cascade]

because we say so..... and because the stupid, it burns.

The stupidity of Enterprise as a whole is far less than specific examples in the other shows (and Voyager as a whole), as for you saying so - does that mean people can now pick and choose what they want as canon? Should be inteesting when some people admit novels and other dismiss specific scenes in episodes on a whim.

Three reasons.

1.) Gene Roddenberry: "It's not Star Trek until I say it's Star Trek."
2.) B&B have openly stated that they do not care about continuity.
3.) Enterprise contradicts the Trek history established in TOS and TNG. I don't know what Roddenberry's involvement in DS9 was.

[Jason von Evil]

Enterprise isn't part of normal Trek continuity anyway.

And why is that?

Because that explains how the show contradicts all the other shows.

[Jason von Evil]

because we say so..... and because the stupid, it burns.

The stupidity of Enterprise as a whole is far less than specific examples in the other shows (and Voyager as a whole), as for you saying so - does that mean people can now pick and choose what they want as canon? Should be inteesting when some people admit novels and other dismiss specific scenes in episodes on a whim.

Three reasons.

1.) Gene Roddenberry: "It's not Star Trek until I say it's Star Trek."
2.) B&B have openly stated that they do not care about continuity.
3.) Enterprise contradicts the Trek history established in TOS and TNG. I don't know what Roddenberry's involvement in DS9 was.

Roddenberry died before DS9 was ever made.

[Kamakazie Sith]

because we say so..... and because the stupid, it burns.

The stupidity of Enterprise as a whole is far less than specific examples in the other shows (and Voyager as a whole), as for you saying so - does that mean people can now pick and choose what they want as canon? Should be inteesting when some people admit novels and other dismiss specific scenes in episodes on a whim.

Three reasons.

1.) Gene Roddenberry: "It's not Star Trek until I say it's Star Trek."
2.) B&B have openly stated that they do not care about continuity.
3.) Enterprise contradicts the Trek history established in TOS and TNG. I don't know what Roddenberry's involvement in DS9 was.

Sadly, none of those reasons are valid. The current owners dictate what is canon for Star Trek, Roddenberry is dead he no longer owns Star Trek.

[Crazedwraith]

Enterprise isn't part of normal Trek continuity anyway.

And why is that?

ENT "Regeneration" shows its an alternate timeline spawn by the changes wreaked by the E-E and the borg.

[Jason von Evil]

Enterprise thoughts:

I've also grown to appreciate the NX itself. It's nice that parts of the ship don't follow standard cookie cutter designs. Engineering, for instance, isn't a big spacious area. It's cramp. The warp core is set horizontally, like in TOS. The whole Akiraprise thing only comes from the fact that the NX resembles the Akira from the top only. Beyond that, it's not a problem with me. Here's some incite on the ships design. http://www.trek5.com/ships/drexeaves/drex_eaves2.html

I also like the uniforms and phase pistols. The uniforms because they just look practical and like something you'd expect humans to wear in real life. Hell, don't our astronauts wear similar uniforms now? I like the phase pistols simply because they look cool. Better than some dildo looking phaser.

It's also my belief that ENT is set in an alternate timeline, probably caused by the time travel in FC. This belief makes the show watchable, since it doesn't matter how much it fucks established events.

[Stravo]

Has anyone come out and SAID it was an alternate time line? B&B seem to be under the impression that its not since they went through such pains to say that their Romulan and Ferengi episodes would fit in with continuity.

[Uraniun235]

What's wrong with the fandom deciding for themselves what's canon? It's clear the fans care a lot more about the franchise than the producers... of which there are now twelve, I think.

Come on now. Qo'nos in just a few days with old old technology? The Ferengi, who we supposedly never see again until Picard's era? Romulan cloaking device? BORG?

No, I won't accept it as Star Trek. I won't accept that this creatively bankrupt horseshit is in any way equal to the adventures of Captain Kirk, Picard, or even Sisko in terms of canonicity.

[TheDarkling]

Because that explains how the show contradicts all the other shows.

And all the other shows contradict each other, certain things in TOS don’t match up with the other shows or even itself and Enterprise has no greater amount of glitches in the continuity department than the other shows had.

[TheDarkling]

ENT "Regeneration" shows its an alternate timeline spawn by the changes wreaked by the E-E and the borg.

No it does not, in fact the episode directly explains why the Borg show up during TNG thus linking the two shows in the same timeline (although it is possible that will change, as things stand there is very little evidence to support the dual timeline theory).

[Mutant Headcrab]

ENT "Regeneration" shows its an alternate timeline spawn by the changes wreaked by the E-E and the borg.

No it does not, in fact the episode directly explains why the Borg show up during TNG thus linking the two shows in the same timeline (although it is possible that will change, as things stand there is very little evidence to support the dual timeline theory).

I always thought the Borg in Next Gen showed up because Q brought their attention to humanity when he flung the E-D to the Delta Quadrant....

[General Zod]

that's how they made their first official contact. although Voyager stated that the earliest contact humanity had with the Borg was the explorer Craft "Raven" that had seven of nine on it when it was assimilated into the collective.