What would you have liked to see happen in the TNG universe?

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2004-01-14 04:31pm

I think the post speaks for itself. I personally would like to see the Federation nearly toppled by something(and not by a single borg cube; a MAJOR threat, like Romulan Invasion)

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2004-01-14 04:43pm

I would have liked to see the destruction of one of those big mushroom Starbases, preferably as a prelude to a bigger conflict.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-01-14 05:04pm

am i going to be smacked if i say lesbian porn between Troi, major Kira and Seven of Nine?

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2004-01-14 05:26pm

A far more competent and tougher crew, a Captain Picard played a little more like Gurney Halleck, and if they just had to have Wesley Crusher on the ship, then why not simply have had him as a Midshipman-cadet assigned to the Enterprise as part of his training into the service —which would have made sense. Indeed, instead of the families and children I'd have much preferred a corps of midshipman cadets aboard the Enterprise whose presence aboard the ship is far more logical than that of a boatload of useless passengers.

I would like to have seen the Enterprise far from Federation space (a year or two's travel time beyond the Rim), exploring past the frontiers already charted; encountering new civilisations and perhaps mysteries connected to the distant pasts of each of the major Trek civilisations in those spaces.

Most of all, I'd have infinitely preferred seeing a well-written and mature SF series instead of the cutsey juvenile crap of the first two seasons and the dreary mind-numbing character soap-operas of the later years.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-01-14 06:18pm

I would like to see real characters with real problems and who take issue and have genuine relationships with each other. I want to see actual character growth. I want to see problems that the crew has with one another. I want to see an election in the UFP. I want to see rogue elements of Star Fleet. I want to see incompetent people. I want to see one of their technobabble solutions fail. I want for Star Trek to be closer to reality, as opposed to a fantastic galaxy.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-01-14 06:40pm

actually we have seen at least one example of an incompetent crewmember. Barclay.

Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2004-01-14 08:30pm

I would like to see a revolution in the Federation and a seperate government to be formed...after all, I am working on a story in this direction

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2004-01-14 08:43pm

a trade war with the Ferengi, leading to a war between the Federation-Klingons vs Romulans-Ferengi

A successful military coup'd that turned the place communisit (had it been democratic), and Enterprise-D has to organize a counter revolt

The Klingon civil war having lasted a season and pulling a few more powers in would have been awesome

and finally....

Riker having the backbone to land Troi during season 1 or 2

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-01-14 08:51pm

What Ossus and Degan said but also;

NO MORE ONE NOTE RACES.

I want each of the major powers to be as diverse and different, there can be undertones but none of this Ferengi=greedy/spineless, Klingon=warrior/dumb, Romulan=backstabbing...etc. Barring races with the personality of a rock(the Borg, the Jem Hadar..etc) I want to see races to be something to revel in and not just pointless cardboard enemies for the valiant morons of the Federation to outwit and sermonize against.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-01-14 09:20pm

Ghost Rider wrote:What Ossus and Degan said but also;

NO MORE ONE NOTE RACES.

I want each of the major powers to be as diverse and different, there can be undertones but none of this Ferengi=greedy/spineless, Klingon=warrior/dumb, Romulan=backstabbing...etc. Barring races with the personality of a rock(the Borg, the Jem Hadar..etc) I want to see races to be something to revel in and not just pointless cardboard enemies for the valiant morons of the Federation to outwit and sermonize against.

The races aren't one note remember there are always a few odd guys out.

And the ferengi are no longer big on the greed, they have social programs, gender equality and good business practice laws (they even seem to have taken the Rules off the reading list for kids).

I expect them, to be members of the federation within 50 - 100 years.

johnmarkley · Post by **johnmarkley** » 2004-01-14 11:37pm

Tholians!

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-01-14 11:46pm

Kitsune wrote:I would like to see a revolution in the Federation and a seperate government to be formed...after all, I am working on a story in this direction

Agreed, I want Civil War.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2004-01-15 01:18am

I have never liked the idea of a Federation civil war... unless you were to go back and revisit the plot (or at least the idea) behind TNG Conspiracy*, I think a Fed civil war would take a massive shit on one of the biggest premises of Star Trek and especially of TNG; that we as a species have gotten over such conflicts and no longer wage war amongst ourselves.

If the franchise is truly so creatively bankrupt that the only thing left is a Federation civil war, I think it really is time to just put Star Trek down and find somewhere else to play with. Somewhere where we wouldn't be tied down by what's already been established and where we wouldn't be spitting on the creator of the franchise by indulging in such a storyline.

*If a civil war where carried out such that the creatures from TNG Conspiracy had returned and managed to subvert a significant percentage of Starfleet, I could see that working. But an ideological civil war is simply out of the question for me.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-01-15 01:27am

Uraniun235 wrote:I would have liked to see the destruction of one of those big mushroom Starbases, preferably as a prelude to a bigger conflict.

That would be cool especialy if the Starbase is destroyed by a fleet of Romulan Warbirds and not by technobabble.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-01-15 01:27am

Uraniun235 wrote:I have never liked the idea of a Federation civil war... unless you were to go back and revisit the plot (or at least the idea) behind TNG Conspiracy*, I think a Fed civil war would take a massive shit on one of the biggest premises of Star Trek and especially of TNG; that we as a species have gotten over such conflicts and no longer wage war amongst ourselves.

If the franchise is truly so creatively bankrupt that the only thing left is a Federation civil war, I think it really is time to just put Star Trek down and find somewhere else to play with. Somewhere where we wouldn't be tied down by what's already been established and where we wouldn't be spitting on the creator of the franchise by indulging in such a storyline.

*If a civil war where carried out such that the creatures from TNG Conspiracy had returned and managed to subvert a significant percentage of Starfleet, I could see that working. But an ideological civil war is simply out of the question for me.

I disagree, a Federation Civil War could cleanse the crap fest that is modern day Trek. From the firery ashes of war could come a bright new Trek. One with out the stupid 'happy happy, cum-by-ya, don't fire at that ship that is attacking us so we don't look agressive' Trek.

Granted, it would take about one season on motivated troops who looked at history books to clean the clock of the pussies that run the Feds.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-01-15 02:33am

Darth_Zod wrote:am i going to be smacked if i say lesbian porn between Troi, major Kira and Seven of Nine?

Not, not at all. It's your belief and hope and I respect that. Besides, we need homosexuality on Trek; the only example is Lt. Hawke from the TNG Section 31 novel.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-01-15 02:45am

mostly joking around in that one.

though we also have a slight example with jadzia and one of her former hosts partners, but since the symbiote was largely responsible for it it makes the example a little odd. however i would like seeing actual examples of homosexual couples and pairings in the trek universe. apparently everyone's understanding and not concerned about such superficial things, but we never see them on the show which strikes me as odd. did homosexuality simply cease to exist with the advent of the 24th century or somethign?

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2004-01-15 03:24am

TheDarkling wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:What Ossus and Degan said but also;

NO MORE ONE NOTE RACES.

I want each of the major powers to be as diverse and different, there can be undertones but none of this Ferengi=greedy/spineless, Klingon=warrior/dumb, Romulan=backstabbing...etc. Barring races with the personality of a rock(the Borg, the Jem Hadar..etc) I want to see races to be something to revel in and not just pointless cardboard enemies for the valiant morons of the Federation to outwit and sermonize against.
The races aren't one note remember there are always a few odd guys out.

Exceptions do not destroy a rule.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-01-15 03:53am

Darth_Zod wrote:am i going to be smacked if i say lesbian porn between Troi, major Kira and Seven of Nine?

Yes. Yes you are. Especially since one is TNG, one is DS9, and the third is Voyager. *SMACK!*

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2004-01-15 03:54am

Knife wrote:One with out the stupid 'happy happy, cum-by-ya, don't fire at that ship that is attacking us so we don't look agressive' Trek.

Oh, please, modern Trek (of which I do not believe TNG Season 1 is a member of anymore) is full of stupidly written and poorly executed violence. Captain Picard hasn't fucking put down the phaser rifle ever since First Contact.

Besides, if anything, a civil war would piss everyone off some more, because we all know that it would be poorly written and badly executed, just like what we got from the Dominion War in DS9.

And finally, the "don't fire so we don't look aggressive" shit was most egegrious in an episode aired nearly seventeen years ago. Sorry, but it's too fucking late to take Trek back to the glory days, and Enterprise should be a constant reminder that the producers would fuck it up even if they tried to recapture what we love about Star Trek.

No, if you're looking for civil war, I think you'd be better served all around if you dumped all the baggage (both in-universe and in the production staff) that Star Trek carries with it and found (or founded, as it were) a different franchise.

Seriously, after all the changes that I see people proposing be made to Star Trek, what else is left that you love so much? It can't be the galactic political landscape; Star Trek is lambasted for both the hippie-idealist Federation, as well as the one-note races, as we've seen in this thread! It can't be the starships, because everyone seems to be in love with more "badass" ships like Defiant which pull away from the Trek paradigm.

Frankly, I think some people are just itching to smash apart the idealistic Federation simply because they'll get a sick pleasure out of watching it bleed and burn, but I would like to know what it is about Star Trek that makes people want to reshape it into their vision of an ideal universe for storytelling rather than just give up on the damn thing and find somewhere else to play with.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-01-15 04:42am

Patrick Degan wrote:

Exceptions do not destroy a rule.

Perhaps you missed the

I assume you must have since you also edited it out when quoting me.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-01-15 04:59am

Rogue 9 wrote:
Darth_Zod wrote:am i going to be smacked if i say lesbian porn between Troi, major Kira and Seven of Nine?
Yes. Yes you are. Especially since one is TNG, one is DS9, and the third is Voyager. *SMACK!*

*gets smacked* ack! okay, okay. i couldn't resist posting that, but they're all so close together in eras it wouldn't be impractical. besides, there's always holodeck recreations.

Murazor · Post by **Murazor** » 2004-01-15 05:13am

Master of Ossus wrote:I would like to see real characters with real problems. I want to see actual character growth.

If you want reality, why the hell are you looking for it in a science fiction series.

I want to see problems that the crew has with one another.

A decent remake of the Bounty in space would have been nice... Think of the possibilities. Janeway abandoned in a lonely planet of the Delta Quadrant.

I want to see rogue elements of Star Fleet

The Maquis?

I want to see incompetent people

Do you want to meet the people who designed the Galaxy warp core?

I want to see one of their technobabble solutions fail.

As this would destroy the multiverse... Its better to have that working. Would the "last resource" attack against the first Borg cube be considered an failed TB solution?

I want for Star Trek to be closer to reality, as opposed to a fantastic galaxy.

So do I. When the count of gods of a reality goes that high, it's because things are going downhill.[/i]

Murazor · Post by **Murazor** » 2004-01-15 05:16am

DS9 had some nice insights about the POV of non-Feds. An series made from the Romulan POV would be nice.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-01-15 05:56am

Murazor wrote:DS9 had some nice insights about the POV of non-Feds. An series made from the Romulan POV would be nice.

The Romulans need new uniforms first. The TNG ones looked real bad.