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You are the Admiral in charge of Voyager's return

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You are in charge of Star Fleet operations. Voyager returns from the Delta Quadrant. What do you do?

First off, I would bring all the Maquis crew members up on formal charges. Most of them would probably be spending life on a penal colony, but high ranking Maquis like Chakotay would be executed. Janeway would be formally repremanded for making them officers on the ship.

Janeway would also be sent to death row.

How would you handle this?
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Well, I would not excecute anyone, becasue that is simply over the top.

I would certaintly not make her an Admiral. I'd give the crew their party, strip the ship of all that future tech, and disperse it among the fleet.

Harry gets a promotion, then chucked to some decimated, post war world at the edge of the Federation. :lol:

The Maquis would not be permitted to stay in SF, i wouldnt bring charges on them, they would be allowed to go about their business. I would keep a very close eye on them however.
The rest of the crew get medals and counselling.

General leave for everyone, a major repramand in Janeways records, but allowed to command a ship.

Voyager will not be turned into a museum, thats a waste of a ship. After extensive repairs and refits, the ship will resume regular duty with the same crew, if they wish.
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You can't execute them, because the Federation has the death penalty for only one offense, going to Talos IV. If they had it for more traditional crimes, like treason or espionage, you'd be right. Janeway committed treason by commissioning Maquis members, who are officially Cardassian citizens and are considered enemies of the Federation, as Starfleet officers, and giving them access to sensitive parts of the ship. Also, she divulged information about the Omega particle to her staff, including several Maquis and a Borg, in violation of the Omega Directive. She violated the Temporal Prime Directive by retaining a piece of future technology. She also made a treaty with the Borg and helped them fight Species 8472 in order to save her own ship. In addition, she displayed gross incompetence in command by getting her crew trapped in the Delta Quadrant. She also lost her ship to hostile aliens, and failed to retake her, where a mentally unstable crew member and the ship's EMH succeeded. As for Chakotay and his crew of Maquis, they have committed espionage and impersonated Starfleet personnel for several years, since they are as I described above.

All this being so, Janeway, Chakotay, Torres, etc. would receive life or some other long sentence on a penal colony. I don't mean a minimum-security resort like in New Zealand, I mean hard time digging borite somewhere. Seven might do some time also, since she tried to return to the Collective, then possibly sent to Hugh's planet. Neelix would be debriefed about the Delta Quadrant and released. Paris might have to finish his sentence on New Zealand, and his daughter would be sent to her grandparents. The Doctor's holoemitter would have to be confiscated and destroyed, and he'd be transferred to Starfleet Medical HQ to help design new EMH's.
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I would not be surprised if the UFP had rescinded the Talos IV death sentence by the 24th century.
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Send them to Talos IV, then execute them.
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Try the Maquis crew. Count time on Voyager as time against a sentence as well as good behavior.

The remaining Starfleet crew gets the promotions they deserve.

Janeway gets reprimanded and sent back to school on how to be a real starship captain. Her behavior is also examined to determine what errors she made given the context of her situation.

Examine everything Voyager brought back for any useful technology, including Seven of Nine.
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Basically Janeway has to be brought up on some kind of charge, she collabourated with uncounted enemies of the Federation, from the Maquis to the Borg. She violated pretty much any SF regulation that got in the way. She risked her ship needlessly many many times. But in light of the fact that she actually brought most of her crew home and her ship intact she only loses her seniority and her command. I'd transfer her to an administrative role in SF HQ. Maybe shuttle craft construction considering how many shuttle craft Voyager seems to have.
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Drooling Iguana wrote:Send them to Talos IV, then execute them.
What's all this about Talos IV ?
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2000AD wrote:
Drooling Iguana wrote:Send them to Talos IV, then execute them.
What's all this about Talos IV ?
planet where there incredibally power telepathic aliens. Seen in TOS's "Cage" and the" Menagerie pts I&II"
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After the events of The Cage, Starfleet imposed a quarantine on the Talos system, In The Menagerie, Spock violated the quarantine, and was put on trial for his life aboard the Enterprise on the way to Talos. In this episode, it is established that travelling to Talos is the only capital crime under Federation law. Since nothing has been said to the contrary since then, I would assume that the quarantine and the death sentence are still in effect.
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I'd arrest the Maquis the moment they set foot off of the ship and have Janeway put on trial for numerous violations of the Prime Directive.
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Seven years under psycho-bitchs command is punishment enough for the Maquis.

As for Janeway, I would put her on trial, a very public trial, to dispell her "hero" status. Then, once their is enough public backlash, I would have her executed for High Treason against the Federation.
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Macross wrote:Seven years under psycho-bitchs command is punishment enough for the Maquis.

As for Janeway, I would put her on trial, a very public trial, to dispell her "hero" status. Then, once their is enough public backlash, I would have her executed for High Treason against the Federation.
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I would pardon the maquis members. If they wish to enlist or stay in SF, then they'll have to take a rank reduction. Janeway would either be:

- Brought up on court martial charges.
- Assigned a Oberoth and sent to some obscure sector of the Federation.
- Assigned a ship, sent somewhere and an unfortunate warp core breach ends her life. Fortunatly, the crew escapes, but not Janeway. :twisted:

Voyager would obviously be decommisioned and after sent to space dock, the ship would be stripped and any new tech would be removed and studied.
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Isnt everyone forgetting Seven of Nine ?
I have to tell you something everything I wrote above is a lie.
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evilcat4000 wrote:Isnt everyone forgetting Seven of Nine ?
Ah yes.

Have her killed peacefully and then dissect her cortical node and implants to develop a countermeasure against the Borg.
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evilcat4000 wrote:Isnt everyone forgetting Seven of Nine ?
Send her around to all the front line bases and ships, wearing only a thong. ;)
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evilcat4000 wrote:Isnt everyone forgetting Seven of Nine ?
She should be examined. There should be a number of technologies that can be gotten from her. Like I said.

Is she the only Borg still left on board?
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neoolong wrote:
evilcat4000 wrote:Isnt everyone forgetting Seven of Nine ?
She should be examined. There should be a number of technologies that can be gotten from her. Like I said.

Is she the only Borg still left on board?
There's also Icheb, but my $'s on Seven.
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neoolong wrote:
evilcat4000 wrote:Isnt everyone forgetting Seven of Nine ?
She should be examined. There should be a number of technologies that can be gotten from her. Like I said.

Is she the only Borg still left on board?
There were some children freed from the Borg collective.
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I know that. If I remember right, some went home, but I think Icheb and some others might have stayed on board.

And wasn't there a Borg baby?
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:? Executing Janeway is just a tad stupid. Granted she's made some stupid decisions and should never be put in command of a Starship again, but killing her?

Especially in the context that it appears a war weary Earth has latched onto her heroic return from the DQ as a cause for celebration, post Dominion war. So you can't exactly shoot her.

What I would do:

1. Promote Janeway upward to a desk, like apparently happened.

2. The Starfleet officers should all be promoted one grade, unless there are strong reasons why they should not.

3. The Maquis, unless any of them were REALY REALY badass terrors, should all be sentenced to one years prison, counting as time served on the USS Voyager, the remaining six years as Starfleet officers of their commissioned ranks with all the rights, pay e.t.c. that would be coming to them. Officers who went through Starfleet Academy but resigned to join the Maquis (such as Chakotey and Torres) should be given the chance to make their commissions permanent. Those who didn't should be given an opportunity to take an abbreviated academy course and keep theirs. Otherwise discharged.

4. Voyager should be docked at a secure dock at Utopia Plantia (one of the big starbases there would be nice, where you can't actually see it sitting inside) while all the future tech is stripped out of the ship.

5. Seven of Nine is a sentient being with her own rights. You can hardly HOLD her forever for medical purposes. Besides, Starfleet has a preaty advaned amount of Borg knowedlge. Hell, how much stuff do you think the E-E dumped at Starfleet Intels doorstep in the future when they got back?

I see no reason not to treat the crew as heros is thats what everyone wants, just make sure Janeway can't do anything.
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I would like to add that I would make sure to get some time alone with those twins Paris was always talking about. :twisted:
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neoolong wrote:I know that. If I remember right, some went home, but I think Icheb and some others might have stayed on board.

And wasn't there a Borg baby?
Icheb was the only one to stay on board. The other three left in the second episode of the last season.
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