What ever happened to Picard's uber Anti-Borg weapon?

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-01-02 10:34pm

Remember from I, Borg? Picard, Data, and Geordi worked on that uber weapon to kill the borg, so what ever happened to it?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-01-02 10:38pm

They refused to deploy it because they had ethical concerns (read: Picard's a fucking idiot, and so is everyone else on the E-D). But many years later, Admiral Janeway found it while lurking at ASVS and used it against the Borg in the Delta Quadrant.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-01-02 10:42pm

Picard wasn't thinking of the big picture, how many races could he have saved by wiping out the Borg then and there?

Burak Gazan · Post by **Burak Gazan** » 2004-01-02 11:13pm

That episode was just on today, with Crusher doing much hand-wringing about "rules in war" and "attacking civilians" .....

make you wish someone would lean across the conference table and smack her in the jaw.

Listen, you dizzy #$%^& bonehead! The Borg have ONE ROE: assimilate EVERYONE: that means, you twit, men, women, little kids, dogs, cats, Picards' fish, EVERYTHING and everyone in the Federation are targets. God almighty, with imbeciles like this, how the hell did the Feds even SURVIVE???

Suggest court-martial and execution on general principles

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2004-01-02 11:22pm

I don't think Kirk would have had any problems with using it.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2004-01-02 11:55pm

Destroying the Borg would've saved many from future assimilation.

It would also have destroyed those who've been assimilated.

That choice is obviously the lesser of two evils.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-01-03 12:38am

If you want to do both what you do is, beam down to the planet, imprint the image in one of the borg, beam back up, take hugh back onboard, remove the implants (if he wants.) And things are set for life!

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2004-01-03 12:41am

IIRC Admiral Nechywhatever was pissed at Picard, but he wasn't punished and the weapon was abadoned because there was no delivery method (up until Voyager, who must have deployed it).

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-01-03 02:29am

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:IIRC Admiral Nechywhatever was pissed at Picard, but he wasn't punished and the weapon was abadoned because there was no delivery method (up until Voyager, who must have deployed it).

Alynna Necheyev. And her being muy pissed off as well as what happened to the invasive program will be brought up in the upcoming chapters of my story, 'The Best of Both Worlds'.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-01-03 03:08pm

The E-D crew thought their special anti-Borg weapon would work quite well. However, multiple examples in Voyager showed other races deploying virus like attacks against the Borg similar in nature to the E-D idea, but they only could infect one vessel at a time, at which point the entire Collective cut off said vessel. I see no reason to assume the Federation's anti-Borg attack would fare any better than other examples that failed, and to boot the claim it was going to be so effective was based solely upon the E-D's crew say so rather than example.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-03 04:29pm

The only reason Picard did not use the weapon was because it would eliminate a huge future for Star Trek. think about it, no voyager serires, no first contact, no mortal enemy that Star Trek needs to keep something interesting in their movies and shows.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-01-03 04:40pm

Robert Walper wrote:The E-D crew thought their special anti-Borg weapon would work quite well. However, multiple examples in Voyager showed other races deploying virus like attacks against the Borg similar in nature to the E-D idea, but they only could infect one vessel at a time, at which point the entire Collective cut off said vessel. I see no reason to assume the Federation's anti-Borg attack would fare any better than other examples that failed, and to boot the claim it was going to be so effective was based solely upon the E-D's crew say so rather than example.

I think the idea behind the picard weapon was not a virus per se, but rather to introduce a paradoxical image into the borg collective that members would keep sending to one another for group analyis(sp?) until, finally, it crashed the system.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2004-01-04 12:12am

Straha wrote:
Robert Walper wrote:The E-D crew thought their special anti-Borg weapon would work quite well. However, multiple examples in Voyager showed other races deploying virus like attacks against the Borg similar in nature to the E-D idea, but they only could infect one vessel at a time, at which point the entire Collective cut off said vessel. I see no reason to assume the Federation's anti-Borg attack would fare any better than other examples that failed, and to boot the claim it was going to be so effective was based solely upon the E-D's crew say so rather than example.
I think the idea behind the picard weapon was not a virus per se, but rather to introduce a paradoxical image into the borg collective that members would keep sending to one another for group analyis(sp?) until, finally, it crashed the system.

The attacks in VOY were direct attacks, disrupting the first cube it infected, so obviously the infected cube itself would disconnect, even if the collective didn't notice. I'm sure Rob will correct me, but I thought that was the reason for the delay in the Endgame thingy, because it waited to spread throughout the collective before it took effect, thus bypassing this safety feature (one which Janeway had personally encountered). The wierd shape wouldn't do anything bad or suspicious to a cube, so I doubt it would trigger the disconnection... unless the Borg are going to take the iniative on a process eating up too many resources, which is unlikely.

Compare this to Scorpion - the Collective couldn't even analyse S8472 as fast as Voyager. What does that say about their ability to examine an impossible shape?

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2004-01-04 05:16am

Darth Wong wrote:They refused to deploy it because they had ethical concerns (read: Picard's a fucking idiot, and so is everyone else on the E-D). But many years later, Admiral Janeway found it while lurking at ASVS and used it against the Borg in the Delta Quadrant.

Really? My impression was that when the Queen attempted to assimilate Admiral Janeway, the sudden upload of thirty years worth of accumulated stupidity into the Collective's central net was too much even for it to handle.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-01-04 08:35am

Patrick Degan wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:They refused to deploy it because they had ethical concerns (read: Picard's a fucking idiot, and so is everyone else on the E-D). But many years later, Admiral Janeway found it while lurking at ASVS and used it against the Borg in the Delta Quadrant.
Really? My impression was that when the Queen attempted to assimilate Admiral Janeway, the sudden upload of thirty years worth of accumulated stupidity into the Collective's central net was too much even for it to handle.

Janeways command decisions + Voygaer getting home = Massive Fucking Anomaly