Chamber Failure

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 2003-12-24 07:08pm

In TOS, was there ever an instance of the Anti-Matter/Matter Combustion Chamber failing like we see time and again in TNG?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-12-24 07:25pm

Jeremy wrote:In TOS, was there ever an instance of the Anti-Matter/Matter Combustion Chamber failing like we see time and again in TNG?

Onboard the USS Constellation, yes.

Course that was intentional so...

HRogge · Post by **HRogge** » 2003-12-24 07:44pm

There was one episode where the Enterprise's warp engines were going critical ( warp 13+ ), so it might be a "chamber blow up" chance too...

but I cannot remember ANY warp core breach in TOS... or even a "nearly warp core breach of the week"...

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2003-12-24 08:14pm

Ender wrote:
Jeremy wrote:In TOS, was there ever an instance of the Anti-Matter/Matter Combustion Chamber failing like we see time and again in TNG?
Onboard the USS Constellation, yes.

Course that was intentional so...

correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Constellation self-destruct against the Planetkiller using it's impulse drives?

Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2003-12-24 08:54pm

Didn't Scotty mention blowing the ship up in that way in Star Trek: The Motion picture?

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-12-25 12:52am

Kitsune wrote:Didn't Scotty mention blowing the ship up in that way in Star Trek: The Motion picture?

That is self destructing the ship by delibaretly overloading the warp core not a system failure. TOS era ships were better designed than TNG ones and none were lost from warp core failures.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 2003-12-25 01:38am

So then it would be a better design compared to the one on Ent-D?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-12-25 01:42am

Jeremy wrote:So then it would be a better design compared to the one on Ent-D?

Obviously. The E-D was a true embarrassment for Federation starship designers. Think of it as Starfleet's Pinto.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-12-25 02:55am

Obviously. The E-D was a true embarrassment for Federation starship designers. Think of it as Starfleet's Pinto.

Even the TNG Tech Manual suggests that the Galaxy had a lot of problems during development, especially with regard to the materials used in the main reactor. It also suggests that the Galaxy class ships took thirteen years to build; by contrast, the extensive refit of the E-nil IIRC took a scant 18 months.

There's been at least a couple of episodes in TOS where they've said the engines were close to blowing, but that wasn't from battle damage or random phenomena, it was from them simply pushing the engines too hard.

correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Constellation self-destruct against the Planetkiller using it's impulse drives?

Correct. The Constellation detonated it's impulse engines, as the warp engines were utterly useless. Scotty said all of the antimatter had been 'neutralized', but also said that the engines themselves were a 'pile of junk'. In what order this occurred (neutralization and engine destruction) is not known.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2003-12-25 08:54am

Well, that TOS warp cores are very stable is well known. I mean, see what happens to the Realint in ST II, and did the core breach? No.
Or ST I. There the warp core produces an exotic side effect, but does it blew up? No.
In ST VI, the Enterprise was badly hit, and did the warp core blew up? No.

I think that says it all.....

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 2003-12-25 01:27pm

So would there be any ideas of the power it supplies?

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2003-12-26 02:46pm

Matt Huang wrote:correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Constellation self-destruct against the Planetkiller using it's impulse drives?

They caused an overload in the ship's fusion reactor.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2003-12-26 02:47pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Jeremy wrote:So then it would be a better design compared to the one on Ent-D?
Obviously. The E-D was a true embarrassment for Federation starship designers. Think of it as Starfleet's Pinto.

I must disagree. I'm thinking more along the lines of a Pacer.

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2003-12-26 06:36pm

Defiant wrote:
Matt Huang wrote:correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Constellation self-destruct against the Planetkiller using it's impulse drives?
They caused an overload in the ship's fusion reactor.

the impulse drives are fusion reactors.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2003-12-27 07:16am

Darth Wong wrote:
Jeremy wrote:So then it would be a better design compared to the one on Ent-D?
Obviously. The E-D was a true embarrassment for Federation starship designers. Think of it as Starfleet's Pinto.

I'd extend that to the entire first flight of Galaxy class ships, minus the Galaxy herself.

USS Yamoto got wacked with that Iconian Virus.

USS Oddyesy got smashed by three Jem'Hadar fighters and was so combat ineffective without shields that it didn't even scratch ONE of them.

USS Enterprise...I don't need to say anything.

Strangely, the USS Galaxy herself appears to have outlived all of them and been upgraded to the DS9 flight Galaxy for the Dominion war, surviving it and preaty frigen heavy damage at Chintaka.

I wonder if Dr Brahms was shot...and who fixed up the design...probably the people who worked up the Defiant and Sovereign designs.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-12-27 01:52pm

Jeremy wrote:So then it would be a better design compared to the one on Ent-D?

It's not as powerful (the E-D's core moved a much bigger ship much faster), but other than that, it's superior in every imaginable respect, especially safety.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-12-27 03:00pm

Chris OFarrell wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
Jeremy wrote:So then it would be a better design compared to the one on Ent-D?
Obviously. The E-D was a true embarrassment for Federation starship designers. Think of it as Starfleet's Pinto.
I wonder if Dr Brahms was shot...and who fixed up the design...probably the people who worked up the Defiant and Sovereign designs.

I will maintain until the end of my days, despite whatever evidence to the contrary, that it was Scotty, returning from his vacation on the dyson sphere, who fixed the GCS design and whipped out the sovie, defiant, and all the other kick ass designs.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2003-12-27 03:15pm

The main problem? Engineering inspections carried out on several Galaxy-class starships revealed that, in nearly all the surviving vessels of the class, the warp cores were all marked with a printed triangle-shaped label affixed to the bottom portion of the reaction chamber which strangely had upside-down writing:

THIS END UP

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2003-12-27 03:24pm

Matt Huang wrote:
Defiant wrote:
Matt Huang wrote:correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Constellation self-destruct against the Planetkiller using it's impulse drives?
They caused an overload in the ship's fusion reactor.
the impulse drives are fusion reactors.

Actually, the fusion reactors provide power to the impulse drives.[/i]

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-12-27 07:53pm

Ender wrote:I will maintain until the end of my days, despite whatever evidence to the contrary, that it was Scotty, returning from his vacation on the dyson sphere, who fixed the GCS design and whipped out the sovie, defiant, and all the other kick ass designs.

According to the non-cannon Shatner books your right. Scottie became reactive in Starfleet R&D and was the Chief Engineer of the Soverign. The Defiant was partly down to Be Sisko IIRC.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-12-27 10:12pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Jeremy wrote:So then it would be a better design compared to the one on Ent-D?
Obviously. The E-D was a true embarrassment for Federation starship designers. Think of it as Starfleet's Pinto.

What about Voyager?

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2003-12-27 11:00pm

Connor MacLeod wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
Jeremy wrote:So then it would be a better design compared to the one on Ent-D?
Obviously. The E-D was a true embarrassment for Federation starship designers. Think of it as Starfleet's Pinto.
What about Voyager?

It's not too bad for a light cruiser, it's fast and pretty decently armed, especially when compared to the Galaxy. And the warp core didn't throw out half the crap a Galaxy warp core did.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 2003-12-28 03:21pm

Hey here is a question: Why did they have plexi glass windows on the door that closed down around the Anti-Matter/Matter Combustion Chamber when it was about to blow? Or I am just imagining those plexi-glass windows existed?

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2003-12-28 09:19pm

Jeremy wrote:Hey here is a question: Why did they have plexi glass windows on the door that closed down around the Anti-Matter/Matter Combustion Chamber when it was about to blow? Or I am just imagining those plexi-glass windows existed?

Huh? What episode, what ship, what class, and what series?

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 2003-12-28 11:14pm

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