Intrepid Class vs US Navy

TurboPhaser · Post by **TurboPhaser** » 2003-10-26 12:42am

I wasnt sure where this topic belonged, I hope I chose right.

Since Voyager has not shown torpedo capabilities above the KT range, or phasers in the TW range, this may not be much of a mismatch.

Intrepid shield capabilities is something i'm not sure of, but I bet someone could guess.

Anyway, the entire US Navy assembles in the Pacific somewhere, Voyager flies towards them and attacks.

Who wins?

EDIT: Some specifics:

The Intrepid class ship IS in the atmosphere, for this to be a battle, both parties have to actually hit each other. The Intrepid class begins attacking at 3 KM. The US Navy fleet is as it is in 2003.

Yes, ALL Navy vessels. Including Aircraft carriers and their aircraft.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-10-26 12:56am

It is irrelevent if Voyager has shown anything above KT level or not. When compared to other Starfleet ships you get a higher appreciation.

US Navy is smoked with ease.

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2003-10-26 12:56am

But I'd give it to the Intrepid

I suppose we are assuming the Intrepid is flying, right? If that's so, it goes outside of antiship missile parameters. Which means trying to knock it down with a bunch of SAMs. I have heard the US may have some nuclear weapons stashed in their ships' magazines (a special, particulary well-guarded one) somewhere, but I don't think they are in the SAMs, probably not in any READY weapons system. Conventional missiles, especially SAMs, should not cause critical damage to the Intrepid, especially if it is shielded.

KT level isn't that powerful, but it could sink a US Navy ship. They could simply saturate the US defenses and win that way.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-10-26 01:00am

The USN doesn't have any tactical nuclear weapons. They're all gone.

The USN could throw every single SAM they have at the the ship and probably not even touch her shields (assuming that they'd properly guide in). TW-range phasers are going to carve up the USN surface ships like a hot knife through butter; the torpedoes are overkill.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-10-26 01:02am

phongn wrote:The USN doesn't have any tactical nuclear weapons. They're all gone.

He said the ENTIRE USN.

Can we say OHIO?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-10-26 01:08am

MKSheppard wrote:
phongn wrote:The USN doesn't have any tactical nuclear weapons. They're all gone.
He said the ENTIRE USN.

Can we say OHIO?

Irrelevent. SSBNs can't hit mobile targets with their missiles. Might as well try shooting down a B-52 with a TLAM.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-10-26 01:12am

Alyeska wrote: Irrelevent. SSBNs can't hit mobile targets with their missiles. Might as well try shooting down a B-52 with a TLAM.

This is Starfleet, And besides, an airburst would be enough to really
hurt the Intrepid....remember? Nukes gain much more firepower
in an atmosphere...

And you CAN shoot down a B-52 with a TLAM.....N

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-10-26 01:16am

MKSheppard wrote:
Alyeska wrote: Irrelevent. SSBNs can't hit mobile targets with their missiles. Might as well try shooting down a B-52 with a TLAM.
This is Starfleet, And besides, an airburst would be enough to really
hurt the Intrepid....remember? Nukes gain much more firepower
in an atmosphere...

And you CAN shoot down a B-52 with a TLAM.....N

Enough with the masturbating Shep. An Ohio couldn't hit an oil tanker at sea with an SSBN. They would have no chance against a ship that can move faster then a CVNs fastest fighters.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-10-26 01:17am

Alyeska wrote: Enough with the masturbating Shep.

It's not my fault a Galaxy class can be knocked around phyiscally
by something with the power of a 120MM Sabot round.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-10-26 01:18am

MKSheppard wrote:
Alyeska wrote: Enough with the masturbating Shep.
It's not my fault a Galaxy class can be knocked around phyiscally
by something with the power of a 120MM Sabot round.

Ah yes, you LOVE using low end calcs only. Oh wait, you don't. Enough with the double standards to. Grow up or leave the thread.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-10-26 01:20am

As I noted earlier, no, the guidance package on the TLAM-N takes far too long to target anywhere to hit a BUFF, unless it's staying on the ground

I doubt an Ohio's Trident D5s will be able to be launched in time; presumably the Intrepid will be able to kill those submarines before they can punch in the right coordinates (if the SLBM will allow for it at all).

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-10-26 01:21am

Would a phaser beam be able to hit a submerged target?

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-10-26 01:21am

Alyeska wrote: Ah yes, you LOVE using low end calcs only. Oh wait, you don't. Enough with the double standards to. Grow up or leave the thread.

It's not my god damn fault that your photon torpedoes have been
shown to have less power than a single Ballistic missile Re-Entry
Vehicle's yield REPEATEDLY. Either way, All they have to do is plot
a path that makes the RV end up in the general area of the Intrepid
and let the thermal pulse and shockwave do their thing to the Intrepid.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-10-26 01:22am

Shep, we are all well aware of these examples. Now kindly knock it off.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-10-26 01:23am

Hey wait a minute, he didn't put a time frame for the "entire US Navy",
we could theoretically have 1950s era Iowas firing Nuke tipped 16 inch
shells

, next to such ships as the Sail Frigate Constellation.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-10-26 01:25am

Alyeska wrote:Shep, we are all well aware of these examples. Now kindly knock it off.

Why? They prove that Fed Ships (and most other trek ships) are very
vunerable to weapons which pale in comparison to today's modern
nuclear weapons.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-10-26 01:26am

MKSheppard wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Shep, we are all well aware of these examples. Now kindly knock it off.
Why? They prove that Fed Ships (and most other trek ships) are very
vunerable to weapons which pale in comparison to today's modern
nuclear weapons.

No, they merely prove that you are quick to dig up the lowest calcs possible.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-10-26 01:27am

And lets not forget, Nuclear tipped Surface to Air Missiles

, gotta
love teh 1950s era nukehappy US Military

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-10-26 01:31am

(sigh)

Using that line of reasoning the Intrepid wins with ease. Kinda hard for wooden sailing ships to hurt her.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-10-26 01:33am

Alyeska wrote: Using that line of reasoning the Intrepid wins with ease. Kinda hard for wooden sailing ships to hurt her.

Except they're sailing in line of battle along with the USS Long Beach,
CGN-9 with her Nuclear armed Talos SAMs

OMFG, that's a sweet image, every ship the US Navy has ever built
sailing in one massive line of battle

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-10-26 01:36am

This thread is now degenerating into Spam. Shep, you've made your point AND had some fun. Now please stop before I gotta close some innocent persons thread.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-10-26 01:38am

Alyeska wrote:This thread is now degenerating into Spam. Shep, you've made your point AND had some fun. Now please stop before I gotta close some innocent persons thread.

You're no fun.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-10-26 01:39am

Shep, while I'm not exactly one to wank off to Trek specs, and any Trek force would get owned on the ground, the fact remains the USN can't hit spacecraft. And while we know from "Equinox" that Trek ships can't hit a moving target from any kind of range (hence the need to chase a fleeing ship into an atmosphere in order to keep firing on it), I suspect that USN ships move slowly enough that they could probably be hit from orbit.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-10-26 01:48am

Darth Wong wrote:the fact remains the USN can't hit spacecraft.

Err, they can hit AIRCRAFT, and the Intrepid can fly in atmosphere, remember?

he said:

"Anyway, the entire US Navy assembles in the Pacific somewhere, Voyager flies towards them and attacks. "

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-10-26 01:49am

Even if Voyager was in the atmosphere, and the Ohio tried air-bursting a nuke, they'd knock out all their electronics with the resulting EM pulse. Not a very smart maneuver.

And by the way, all Voyager would have to do is heat the water with their phasers and send a few torpedoes in there as well. They don't even have to directly hit the ships, just the general area around them.

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