Section 31 - the Series?

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-10-22 01:46am

Back when Voyager was nearing its end and we were hearing rumors about series V, one of the rumors was a series focusing on Section31. The PTB said no to such a rumor, saying that while an interesting concept was 'not up to the standard that people have come to expect from Trek' or some BS like that.

Now that we know that Enterprise sucks so much, how many people here think that perhaps a series focusing on the Federation's secret police wouldn't have been such a bad thing?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-10-22 01:52am

Any show based off Section 31 would suck so much shit it might actually make Enterprise look good. The writing quality of trek hasn't been up to the task for a long long time.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-10-22 02:11am

The concept is sound, the execution would have been horrible.

Like Voyager.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-10-22 02:21am

I find Enterprise to be eminently watchable right now.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-10-22 02:31am

Howedar wrote:I find Enterprise to be eminently watchable right now.

Of the Season three episodes I've seen, it does seem to be getting better.

Though the future really isn't certain considering the producers are still unsure of where the story arc is going.

Metrion Cascade · Post by **Metrion Cascade** » 2003-10-22 05:37am

Perhaps Enterprise isn't really canon, since it did involve the Borg that travelled back in time from "First Contact" and therefore can't be the same timeline?

Metrion Cascade · Post by **Metrion Cascade** » 2003-10-22 05:38am

I'm sorry, that last post was a bit of a brainfart. I'm thinking that Enterprise can be salvaged if we make it clear that it's not the same history as TNG, DS9, and Voyager (since it's so inconsistent with them), and get rid of Berman and Braga.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-10-22 05:43am

I think the one of the best things about Section 31 is that it's so hidden, you couldn't have a regular cast, as most of their operatives seem to work alone, and as Sloane said, it's all in the minds of it's members.

Posbi · Post by **Posbi** » 2003-10-22 09:47am

How in god's name could one make a show about Section 31? Sure, for those with a twisted sense of humor it would be great as it would show the Federation's Waste Elemination Squad, but come on, how could you produce a show for the mass market whose main protagonists would be assassinating, sabotaging and mass-murdering half the time?

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2003-10-22 10:56am

Posbi wrote:How in god's name could one make a show about Section 31? Sure, for those with a twisted sense of humor it would be great as it would show the Federation's Waste Elemination Squad, but come on, how could you produce a show for the mass market whose main protagonists would be assassinating, sabotaging and mass-murdering half the time?

Well, you know, since Section 31 came from Section 1, most likely, then I see no reason why they couldn't do it. They'd just need a hot blonde, which Berman would be happy to provide, and then they'd finally have their little La Femme Nikita in space.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-10-22 11:17am

Wasn't Section 31, like, evil or something?

Having the bad guys as the protagonists every single episode would get tiring, like The X-Files in reverse...

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-10-22 11:54am

Depends on if the show kept Sloane as a truly representative member of the organization. If it was less, "evil" it could work.

Posbi · Post by **Posbi** » 2003-10-22 06:05pm

But like this it would automatically lose the flair that makes Section 31 what it is: an evil, menacing force in the dark. See, I like Section 31, I like their actions, but I don't think you could honestly make a good show of it for the mainstream audience.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-10-22 06:15pm

Posbi wrote:But like this it would automatically lose the flair that makes Section 31 what it is: an evil, menacing force in the dark.

Part of the allure I think wasn't that they were truly evil. But that they did what they felt was necessary for a noble goal. They weren't evil just to be evil.

See, I like Section 31, I like their actions, but I don't think you could honestly make a good show of it for the mainstream audience.

True. Which is why if they made a show of it, they would have to change part of what they do.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-10-23 02:47am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Wasn't Section 31, like, evil or something?

Having the bad guys as the protagonists every single episode would get tiring, like The X-Files in reverse...

They weren't evil, they just did the wrong thing for the right reason.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-10-23 03:16am

Didn't Section 31 actually turn out to be some kind of a mere independent civillian organization?

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2003-10-23 05:20am

Shinova wrote:Didn't Section 31 actually turn out to be some kind of a mere independent civillian organization?

Apparently it was formed at the same time as the federation, and is actually written into the charter.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-10-23 05:35am

ggs wrote:
Shinova wrote:Didn't Section 31 actually turn out to be some kind of a mere independent civillian organization?
Apparently it was formed at the same time as the federation, and is actually written into the charter.

It was? I thought Section 31 was supposed to be secret. Did nobody actually read the charter.

Posbi · Post by **Posbi** » 2003-10-23 06:14am

Section 31 was part of the original charta of the Federation. Now, we don't know how often that one has been changed since it was made up...

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-10-23 12:56pm

Gandalf wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Wasn't Section 31, like, evil or something?

Having the bad guys as the protagonists every single episode would get tiring, like The X-Files in reverse...
They weren't evil, they just did the wrong thing for the right reason.

So genocide isn't wrong?

Posbi · Post by **Posbi** » 2003-10-23 02:45pm

No. In an all-out war for survival it's a legitimate option.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2003-10-23 03:54pm

As for Section31 being in the Federation Charta (in section 31 of it), until i haven´t missed an episode of DS9 was only mentioned in the novels, which have no official leg to stand on.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-10-24 12:54am

Posbi wrote:Section 31 was part of the original charta of the Federation. Now, we don't know how often that one has been changed since it was made up...

The Original Series S31 novel Cloak shows that name of the orginization comes from the charter; section 31 of the Starfleet Charter, in carelly worded phrases, calls for the establishment of an ind. investigative agency...

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-24 01:14am

I thought the ST novels weren't canon, or even official, how can you then make a determination regarding their origins and organization based on a novel?

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-10-24 02:40am

Darth Fanboy wrote:I thought the ST novels weren't canon, or even official, how can you then make a determination regarding their origins and organization based on a novel?

They aren't. Thus it wouldn't be established how they came about.

Wasn't there a thread a little while back about what exactly was ST canon?

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