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Where was Picard and the Enterprise-E during the Dominion war ?

evilcat4000 wrote:Where was Picard and the Enterprise-E during the Dominion war ?

Never canonically stated, they were never shown though because it was deemed they belonged to the TNG movies.

Not stated in cannon, but I do recall a mention of it in a book I read, will have to dig it out for the name. Basically the E-E was thick in the fighting the whole time, pushing the ship to the edge of its endurance. Eventually in a layover for resupply the space dock commander forced the E-E to stay in dock untill full repairs were complete, since it would not be good for fleet morale if the flagship were destroyed.

Insurrection game me the serious impression that the Enterprise was outplaying diplomat to the other major powers at the time trying to cook up more allies. As of First Contact, they'd been out on a shake-down cruise and we find out in Insurrection that they've been doing diplomatic work (when Picard wistfully recalls back when they were explorers). You get the impression that's why the Enterprise was sent to the Briar Patch in the first place by the Admiralty, because they were trying to get the So'na on board against the Dominion and then things went tits up when Data uncovered what the So'na were asking in exchange for an alliance.

I could have sworn that another book placed the Enterprise patrolling the Romulan neutral zone up until they joined the war. This would make sense in the early days of the war, why? Because the Dominion was cuttiing through the Federation lines almost at will in the early days of teh war, putting the flagship at risk would have been a morale killer. So they protected the Enterprise until the imbalance was corrected.

This would explain some of the contradictory information regarding the Enterprise's status during the war.

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Drach wrote:Not stated in cannon, but I do recall a mention of it in a book I read, will have to dig it out for the name. Basically the E-E was thick in the fighting the whole time, pushing the ship to the edge of its endurance. Eventually in a layover for resupply the space dock commander forced the E-E to stay in dock untill full repairs were complete, since it would not be good for fleet morale if the flagship were destroyed.

Star Trek Deep space Nine: Dominion War books 1 & 3.

Where does the book "Battle of Betazed" fit into all this? I saw the book on shelves but never picked it up since I despise Trek novels in general.

Apparently though from what I saw on the back of the book the DOminion actually conquered betazed for a time, crewmembers from the Enterprise were involved there at least if not the ship itself.

Gil Hamilton wrote:Insurrection game me the serious impression that the Enterprise was outplaying diplomat to the other major powers at the time trying to cook up more allies. As of First Contact, they'd been out on a shake-down cruise and we find out in Insurrection that they've been doing diplomatic work (when Picard wistfully recalls back when they were explorers). You get the impression that's why the Enterprise was sent to the Briar Patch in the first place by the Admiralty, because they were trying to get the So'na on board against the Dominion and then things went tits up when Data uncovered what the So'na were asking in exchange for an alliance.

As for the Son'a, I see as this: They developed the technology to harvest the metaphasic particles, but since the Briar Patch was in an area of space claimed by the Federation (showing that at heart, they are indeed imperialists) and therefore, since they were hardly a major power, were reluctant to go up against the UFP. Then Starfleet comes along, knowing about the selling of the ketracel-white to the Dominion and hoping to negotiate with the Son'a.

Thus, each side has something that everyone wants. In return for the harvesting of the metaphasic particles, the Son'a will stop selling the white to the Dominion ; to them, immorality is far greater a priority than allying with the Dominion.

Now, onto the Enterprise - Yes, indeed, the fleet flagship would indeed be involved with diplomacy - they are literally the best in Starfleet, the best of that world if you will. What better way to impress potential Fed victims...er, allies, by showing of your best and brightest. And we most certainly would not want the 'E' being blown up by those nasty old Breen or Cardassians or Jem'Hadar. We couldn't have any more TNG movies with the ship!

Darth Fanboy wrote:Where does the book "Battle of Betazed" fit into all this? I saw the book on shelves but never picked it up since I despise Trek novels in general.

Apparently though from what I saw on the back of the book the DOminion actually conquered betazed for a time, crewmembers from the Enterprise were involved there at least if not the ship itself.

Yes, the Dominion did conquer Betazed.

The Dominion was building a station in the Betazed system similar to the class and design of DS9 and the Enterprise was sent there with a squad of (3 Saber-class) ships to take out the station while it was still under construction.

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Drach wrote:Not stated in cannon, but I do recall a mention of it in a book I read, will have to dig it out for the name. Basically the E-E was thick in the fighting the whole time, pushing the ship to the edge of its endurance. Eventually in a layover for resupply the space dock commander forced the E-E to stay in dock untill full repairs were complete, since it would not be good for fleet morale if the flagship were destroyed.

Star Trek Deep space Nine: Dominion War books 1 & 3.

Thats Star Trek: The next Genration: Dominion War books 1&3 2&4 were the ds9 ones.

If the Enterprise did go into combat with Dominion ships how would they do ? While they can dispatch the Attack ships I think the Battlecruiser would be a formidable challenge. And the Battleship would defeat them.

evilcat4000 wrote:If the Enterprise did go into combat with Dominion ships how would they do ? While they can dispatch the Attack ships I think the Battlecruiser would be a formidable challenge. And the Battleship would defeat them.

The Battlecruiser/Heavy Cruiser (no one can decide on its class) is roughly comparable to the Galaxy class. A Sovereign would chew through such a ship with relative ease. As for the Battleship. While its certainly big and has raw armor, its firepower is somewhat lacking. In a 1-1 battle the Sovereign would have a fair chance if it used its torpedos in large numbers. The Battleship was stated to be roughly three times that of a Galaxy class. The Sovereign already retains a significantly higher weapons payload. This means the Battleship has enough armor to be a bloody nuicance and enough weapons to be a threat. Depending on the captain of the Sovereign, it could pull off the victory against a Battleship.

Alyeska wrote:

evilcat4000 wrote:If the Enterprise did go into combat with Dominion ships how would they do ? While they can dispatch the Attack ships I think the Battlecruiser would be a formidable challenge. And the Battleship would defeat them.

The Battlecruiser/Heavy Cruiser (no one can decide on its class) is roughly comparable to the Galaxy class. A Sovereign would chew through such a ship with relative ease. As for the Battleship. While its certainly big and has raw armor, its firepower is somewhat lacking. In a 1-1 battle the Sovereign would have a fair chance if it used its torpedos in large numbers. The Battleship was stated to be roughly three times that of a Galaxy class. The Sovereign already retains a significantly higher weapons payload. This means the Battleship has enough armor to be a bloody nuicance and enough weapons to be a threat. Depending on the captain of the Sovereign, it could pull off the victory against a Battleship.

Is it stated anywhere canonically what the ratio of firepower and effectiveness is for a Soveriegn vs. a Galaxy? In other words how much more powerful is a Sovereign as opposed to a galaxy. Seeing her performance in FC against a Borg cube makes me think we're looking at quite a big difference.

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Alyeska wrote:

evilcat4000 wrote:If the Enterprise did go into combat with Dominion ships how would they do ? While they can dispatch the Attack ships I think the Battlecruiser would be a formidable challenge. And the Battleship would defeat them.

The Battlecruiser/Heavy Cruiser (no one can decide on its class) is roughly comparable to the Galaxy class. A Sovereign would chew through such a ship with relative ease. As for the Battleship. While its certainly big and has raw armor, its firepower is somewhat lacking. In a 1-1 battle the Sovereign would have a fair chance if it used its torpedos in large numbers. The Battleship was stated to be roughly three times that of a Galaxy class. The Sovereign already retains a significantly higher weapons payload. This means the Battleship has enough armor to be a bloody nuicance and enough weapons to be a threat. Depending on the captain of the Sovereign, it could pull off the victory against a Battleship.

Is it stated anywhere canonically what the ratio of firepower and effectiveness is for a Soveriegn vs. a Galaxy? In other words how much more powerful is a Sovereign as opposed to a galaxy. Seeing her performance in FC against a Borg cube makes me think we're looking at quite a big difference.

There is no straigt up comparison. What we are left doing is comparing the combat capabilities of the Sovereign against that of the Galaxy. The Sovereign has easily four times the torpedo capacity. Offical claims indicate the Sovereign has significantly more powerful phasers as well. Nemesis shows us that the Sovereign does indeed have both regenerative shields and ablative armor (through observed capabilities). You start adding up these different advantages, and suddenly there is a big difference between the two. Whereas the Galaxy is multi-mission, the Sovereign is not. Imagine stripping all the useless crap from the Galaxy and just arming it for war. Thats the design philosophy behind the Sovereign.

Speaking of the Sovereigns weapons. I read at Daystrom that the phasers of a Sovie were as powerful as the phasers of a starbase. Knowing GK's unreliableness, is that true?

I'm not too impressed with the Sovereign class. After all, two Son'a ships, which were pretty weak by any standards since they got thrashed by a chemical explosion, were whipping the Enterprise like a red-headed stepchild in Insurrection until Riker used said chemical explosion on the Son'a ships.

Aya wrote:Speaking of the Sovereigns weapons. I read at Daystrom that the phasers of a Sovie were as powerful as the phasers of a starbase. Knowing GK's unreliableness, is that true?

Ya know his stuff is clearly marked. How can you consider someone unrealible if they clearly mark what is canon and what is not canon and simply a fanfic like addition?

He isn't the problem the problem is those that don't read his damn FAQ.

Gil Hamilton wrote:I'm not too impressed with the Sovereign class. After all, two Son'a ships, which were pretty weak by any standards since they got thrashed by a chemical explosion, were whipping the Enterprise like a red-headed stepchild in Insurrection until Riker used said chemical explosion on the Son'a ships.

IIRC it's mentioned that the E-E wasn't configured for operations inside the patch.

Kamakazie Sith wrote:IIRC it's mentioned that the E-E wasn't configured for operations inside the patch.

When?

Gil Hamilton wrote:

Kamakazie Sith wrote:IIRC it's mentioned that the E-E wasn't configured for operations inside the patch.

When?

I'll have to watch the film, which I don't have, that's why I said IIRC. Maybe it was the novel.....

Kamakazie Sith wrote:I'll have to watch the film, which I don't have, that's why I said IIRC. Maybe it was the novel.....

Well, I got the film, but if I pop it into the VCR and watch it to look out for that line, it will mean that I've given another two hours of my life to that movie, which is something that I'd like to avoid if possible.

Gil Hamilton wrote:

Kamakazie Sith wrote:I'll have to watch the film, which I don't have, that's why I said IIRC. Maybe it was the novel.....

Well, I got the film, but if I pop it into the VCR and watch it to look out for that line, it will mean that I've given another two hours of my life to that movie, which is something that I'd like to avoid if possible.

That's how I feel. I think it may have been the novel now anyway, so don't worry about it. If I catch it on TV then I'll check it out.....but other than that.

Kamakazie Sith wrote:

Gil Hamilton wrote:

Kamakazie Sith wrote:I'll have to watch the film, which I don't have, that's why I said IIRC. Maybe it was the novel.....

Well, I got the film, but if I pop it into the VCR and watch it to look out for that line, it will mean that I've given another two hours of my life to that movie, which is something that I'd like to avoid if possible.

That's how I feel. I think it may have been the novel now anyway, so don't worry about it. If I catch it on TV then I'll check it out.....but other than that.

I too think it was the novel.

Gil Hamilton wrote:I'm not too impressed with the Sovereign class. After all, two Son'a ships, which were pretty weak by any standards since they got thrashed by a chemical explosion, were whipping the Enterprise like a red-headed stepchild in Insurrection until Riker used said chemical explosion on the Son'a ships.

Gil, don't read to much into that example. FC and Nemesis show far different capabilities.