What will happen to Picard?

FaxModem1 · Post by **FaxModem1** » 2003-09-30 07:56pm

He has been a captain for at least what, 20 years, and Picard(the character) is like 80, so is he ever going to retire or will he always be in that chait?

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-09-30 08:03pm

I see him retiring from starship command and becoming a diplomat. As Spock would say "It is his first greatest destiny."

El Moose Monstero · Post by **El Moose Monstero** » 2003-09-30 08:05pm

It would be nice to see Picard go to his death in that chair, sort of like what Kirk said to him in Generations, but who knows, if he's been there for 20 years, then he must be inline for a promotion to something, Kirk got there in at least half that. The captain of the flagship of the fleet does not go 20 years without being replaced to not get promoted at the end, so maybe he becomes Admiral Picard, maybe he retires to the vinyards, or maybe he dies in the captains chair, as the Enterprise falls around him.

EDIT: Or what Stavro said.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-10-01 12:03am

FYI Picard is age 74 as of ST:Nemesis.

I figured that by taking his graduatio year from Starfleet Academy 2327 as stated in the episode "Tapestry" (which played on SpikeTV tonight incidentally) and assuming he entered Starfleet at age 18 he would have been age 22 upon graduation in 2327 and fast forward to the year 2379 when Nemesis takes place that makes him 74 years young. He is still in pretty damn good shape for his age and while he should have been promoted long ago, I believe he will go out as a captain as Kirk told him too. After all Picard has been offered the promotion before and he didn't take it, just like Riker waited and waited before accepting the umpteenth promotion to captain offer.

Clone Sergeant · Post by **Clone Sergeant** » 2003-10-01 01:38am

Death from the Sea wrote:FYI Picard is age 74 as of ST:Nemesis.

I figured that by taking his graduatio year from Starfleet Academy 2327 as stated in the episode "Tapestry" (which played on SpikeTV tonight incidentally) and assuming he entered Starfleet at age 18 he would have been age 22 upon graduation in 2327 and fast forward to the year 2379 when Nemesis takes place that makes him 74 years young. He is still in pretty damn good shape for his age and while he should have been promoted long ago, I believe he will go out as a captain as Kirk told him too. After all Picard has been offered the promotion before and he didn't take it, just like Riker waited and waited before accepting the umpteenth promotion to captain offer.

Don't most people in the TNG era live to their hundred's though? If that's the case he may have a decade or two left in him.

Joe Momma · Post by **Joe Momma** » 2003-10-01 03:48am

I have nothing to add to this thread but a mental image of Picard being stuck in an epic battle and muttering to himself "I'm getting to old for this shit," ala Danny Glover.

Well, I could see him goin on some deep-space mission with a heavy exploration and first contact emphasis, though I don't know if it'd be a good idea to send an officer with as much military and cultural knowledge of the Federation out into potentially hostile territory and risk his capture.

-- Joe Momma

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-10-01 10:49am

According to the ST:E Picard was born in 2305. With Nemesis taking place in 2379 that puts at 74 years old.

He has been a captain since 2333 when he assumed command of the Stargazer. Now he might not have been captain, he might have been a LT Commander or Commander and given command after that ships CO was killed. However, he has been commanding ships for 46 years.

Picard isn't going to be promoted. The modern military (which Starfleet is LOOSELY bassed on) allows officers of O5 and higher (Commander and beyond) to turn down promotions without being forced into retirement. Starfleet takes this one further and allows officers of any level to sit on a rank they wish to or be only compitent enough for that rank. This explains why in an Alternate Reality that in 41 years of Starfleet service Picard only made the rank of Lieutenant JG.

In other words Picard can stay Captain as long as he likes.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-10-01 11:55am

Alyeska wrote:According to the ST:E Picard was born in 2305. With Nemesis taking place in 2379 that puts at 74 years old.

I must be having a brainfart but what is ST:E ?

He has been a captain since 2333 when he assumed command of the Stargazer. Now he might not have been captain, he might have been a LT Commander or Commander and given command after that ships CO was killed. However, he has been commanding ships for 46 years.

Wow, only six years out of the academy before he got his own command, I don't think that I would have wanted to have been on his ship in his early command years....

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-10-01 11:59am

Death from the Sea wrote:
Alyeska wrote:According to the ST:E Picard was born in 2305. With Nemesis taking place in 2379 that puts at 74 years old.
I must be having a brainfart but what is ST:E ?

The Star Trek Encyclopedia.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-10-01 11:59am

Death from the Sea wrote:I must be having a brainfart but what is ST:E ?

Star Trek Encyclopedia

Wow, only six years out of the academy before he got his own command, I don't think that I would have wanted to have been on his ship in his early command years....

To ba fair Picard assumed command after the death of the Captain (and probably other senior bridge crew). Its logical to assume his actions to save the ship impressed Starfleet so they bumped him up a rank and gave him command of the ship.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-10-01 01:00pm

Alyeska wrote:Star Trek Encyclopedia

oh, ok

To ba fair Picard assumed command after the death of the Captain (and probably other senior bridge crew). Its logical to assume his actions to save the ship impressed Starfleet so they bumped him up a rank and gave him command of the ship.

I can imagine some captain waiting for a ship to become available for command and then when the Stargazer looses all of the senior staff the give the ship to the only surviving bridge officer who is a lowly Lt.Jg ....

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-10-01 01:57pm

FaxModem1 wrote:He has been a captain for at least what, 20 years, and Picard(the character) is like 80, so is he ever going to retire or will he always be in that chait?

Don't you remember Star Trek: Generations? Kirk telling Picard not to let them take him out of that chair?

I imagine he'll either be KIA or retire when he's no longer fit to command.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-10-01 02:53pm

Death from the Sea wrote:I can imagine some captain waiting for a ship to become available for command and then when the Stargazer looses all of the senior staff the give the ship to the only surviving bridge officer who is a lowly Lt.Jg ....

Pure assumptiong on your part. After 6 years of service Picard could very well have been a full Lieutenant by this point. After saving the ship and crew he could have been promoted to LT Commander and given command of the Stargazer as reward. Given the ship is of a lesser class durring this time period its entirely likely that LT Commanders were sufficently high ranked to get such a ship. In this case superior officers waiting for a ship might turn down such a ship instead hoping for an Excelsior, Ambassador, or even the new New Orleans and Cheyne class ships.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2003-10-01 05:44pm

Alyeska wrote:
Death from the Sea wrote:I can imagine some captain waiting for a ship to become available for command and then when the Stargazer looses all of the senior staff the give the ship to the only surviving bridge officer who is a lowly Lt.Jg ....
Pure assumptiong on your part. After 6 years of service Picard could very well have been a full Lieutenant by this point. After saving the ship and crew he could have been promoted to LT Commander and given command of the Stargazer as reward. Given the ship is of a lesser class durring this time period its entirely likely that LT Commanders were sufficently high ranked to get such a ship. In this case superior officers waiting for a ship might turn down such a ship instead hoping for an Excelsior, Ambassador, or even the new New Orleans and Cheyne class ships.

It doesn't matter since the whole Lt. J.G. thing was entirely a fantasy concocted by Q. Heck, we don't even know if it WAS Q as oppossed to a simple near-death dream.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-10-01 06:08pm

The Kernel wrote:
It doesn't matter since the whole Lt. J.G. thing was entirely a fantasy concocted by Q. Heck, we don't even know if it WAS Q as oppossed to a simple near-death dream.

And it wouldn't have tipped Picard off if holding such a rank wasn't in keeping with starfleet policy?

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2003-10-01 06:42pm

TheDarkling wrote:
The Kernel wrote:
It doesn't matter since the whole Lt. J.G. thing was entirely a fantasy concocted by Q. Heck, we don't even know if it WAS Q as oppossed to a simple near-death dream.
And it wouldn't have tipped Picard off if holding such a rank wasn't in keeping with starfleet policy?

This is Picard we're talking about. Not exactly the sharpest nail in the... thing... with a bunch of nails... which are sharp.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-10-01 07:02pm

In which incident was Command Crew of the Stargazer killed? I have the book where the Stargazer goes beyond the Galatic Barrier and some of the crew go Gary Mitchell but i haven't read it in years.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-10-02 10:01am

The_Lumberjack wrote:It would be nice to see Picard go to his death in that chair, sort of like what Kirk said to him in Generations, but who knows, if he's been there for 20 years, then he must be inline for a promotion to something, Kirk got there in at least half that. The captain of the flagship of the fleet does not go 20 years without being replaced to not get promoted at the end, so maybe he becomes Admiral Picard, maybe he retires to the vinyards, or maybe he dies in the captains chair, as the Enterprise falls around him.

EDIT: Or what Stavro said.

I might write a fanfic about Picard's death. Anyways, I think he should die in the Captains chair, but not in a battle, but by old age. Here's how I imagine it:

The Enterprise is returning to Earth from a five year mission somewhere. Picard is sitting in his chair, staring at the main screen. His XO is at the back of the bridge for whatever reason. The helmsman asks Picard a question while he pilots the ship, but doesn't get a response. He asks the question again, then calls Picards name. The XO notices that Picard is being quiet, when he normally would be talking with the crew or in his ready room. So, he asks Picard if he's ok, but gets no response. He moves next to the captains chair and kneels down. He calls Picards name and shakes his shoulder.

Picard's head would be bent down and then the XO notices that Picard's eyes are closed. He also notices a faint smile on the old mans face. By this time, everyone on the bridge are staring at Picard and the XO and someone calls the sickbay for a medteam. The order is belayed by the commander who says something like "let the old man rest." The entire bridge is silent as everyone just stares mournfully.

Fast forward to the SOL system. Enterprise is approaching Earth when on the main screen they see this large parade of Feddie and Klingon ships (maybe) awaiting their arrival. This part is where people like Riker, Troi, Crusher, (maybe even Wesley

) Data, etc enter the room one by one where Picard's body is laying in state and say their final goodbyes.

The final part would be the funeral. Then you'd see two long lines of Feddie starships, facing each other. The line would be pointed at the sun. Anyways, the Enterprise would slowly approach the line. Picard's coffin is released from the ship towards the sun. On all the ships, everyone stands at attention and as the coffin passes, they salute.

Luke Starkiller · Post by **Luke Starkiller** » 2003-10-02 12:50pm

Hey, that's good.

Worlds Spanner · Post by **Worlds Spanner** » 2003-10-02 07:43pm

That was really great, Aya.

This conversation has always come up for me in the context of Riker-bashing.

Picard will die in the chair, and Riker will NEVER command the Ebterprise, bwahahahaha.

Seriously though, he has to die in the chair. I think Aya's story was more or less perfect.

El Moose Monstero · Post by **El Moose Monstero** » 2003-10-02 07:50pm

Aya wrote:*snip*

You know, I can actually see that in my mind, good imagery there... there's even a soundtrack (similar to the end bit in Generations (kirk's death?))...

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-10-02 09:47pm

Meh, it's too unrealistic apparently. I suppose him dieing in his sleep in his quarters is more realistic.

El Moose Monstero · Post by **El Moose Monstero** » 2003-10-02 10:06pm

Probably true, maybe his ready room or the observation lounge would be a better bet, someone on the bridge would notice if the captaind decided to pop his clogs. Maybe he could be feeling old and worn out on the bridge, and then go and sit in the ready room with his chair facing the stars (or possibily the enterprise's), perhaps feeling his artificial heart malfunction or something (debate calling meds, but decide not to) and simply kick the bucket there and then...

Worlds Spanner · Post by **Worlds Spanner** » 2003-10-03 01:40pm

Also sounds good to me.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-10-03 04:06pm

Beautiful, Aya. Just beautiful.

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