Information Request

[Setesh]

Does anyone remember if Torres had her kid before the end of Voyager or not. I'm writing a fic where its rather important but I can't for the life of me remember.

[seanrobertson]

Does anyone remember if Torres had her kid before the end of Voyager or not. I'm writing a fic where its rather important but I can't for the life of me remember.

Setesh,

The kid was born in the last minutes of "Endgame."

[Setesh]

Thank you, probably why I can't remember it.

[Sarevok]

Does anyone know the composition of the Federation armada seen in "Endgame" ? Also was that four nacelled ship a Prometheus ?

[Sea Skimmer]

Does anyone know the composition of the Federation armada seen in "Endgame" ? Also was that four nacelled ship a Prometheus ?

Yes, she could be seen.

[TurboPhaser]

Does anyone know the composition of the Federation armada seen in "Endgame" ? Also was that four nacelled ship a Prometheus ?

I dont know all the ships but the following ships were seen:

Galaxy
Nebula
Prometheus
Excelsior

Cant remember any others, its been a while since i've seen Endgame.

[Enigma]

Does anyone know the composition of the Federation armada seen in "Endgame" ? Also was that four nacelled ship a Prometheus ?

I dont know all the ships but the following ships were seen:

Galaxy
Nebula
Prometheus
Excelsior

Cant remember any others, its been a while since i've seen Endgame.

Prometheus? AAAAACCCHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Why did that ship appear in the series finale? Why? Did B&B try to prove that Voyager is still the best by bitch slapping the Prometheus with Voyager destroying the Sphere? WHY??????

I'd love to see the Prometheus own the Sphere. But instead it was castrated (as usual).

[Sarevok]

Prometheus? AAAAACCCHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Why did that ship appear in the series finale? Why? Did B&B try to prove that Voyager is still the best by bitch slapping the Prometheus with Voyager destroying the Sphere? WHY??????

I'd love to see the Prometheus own the Sphere. But instead it was castrated (as usual).

That is called the Hero ship syndrome. Even though Voyger is a scout ship that should have hard time surviving a Bird of Prey, B & B made it look like a battleship. So throughout the series Voyger was seen doing ridiculas things like fighting 2 KM long Ogla class battleships or taking on Borg Tactical Cubes.

Regarding the Prometheus I do not think it could singlehandedly defeated a Sphere. Two or three ships would have been required.

[Crazedwraith]

Prometheus? AAAAACCCHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Why did that ship appear in the series finale? Why? Did B&B try to prove that Voyager is still the best by bitch slapping the Prometheus with Voyager destroying the Sphere? WHY??????

I'd love to see the Prometheus own the Sphere. But instead it was castrated (as usual).

That is called the Hero ship syndrome. Even though Voyger is a scout ship that should have hard time surviving a Bird of Prey, B & B made it look like a battleship. So throughout the series Voyger was seen doing ridiculas things like fighting 2 KM long Ogla class battleships or taking on Borg Tactical Cubes.

Regarding the Prometheus I do not think it could singlehandedly defeated a Sphere. Two or three ships would have been required.

Put the prometheous is two or three ships!

[TurboPhaser]

Prometheus? AAAAACCCHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Why did that ship appear in the series finale? Why? Did B&B try to prove that Voyager is still the best by bitch slapping the Prometheus with Voyager destroying the Sphere? WHY??????

I'd love to see the Prometheus own the Sphere. But instead it was castrated (as usual).

Ok, lets use a bit of logic.

1. The whole fleet, let alone the Prometheus was only firing on the cube for about 3 seconds before Voyager intervened.

2. The Prometheus would not have won even if they were given the chance, they would have been outclassed.

3. The reason Voyager 'bitchslapped' the Prometheus is because Voyager had those things called Transphasic quantum polaron isotonic blah blah blah things.

That is called the Hero ship syndrome. Even though Voyger is a scout ship that should have hard time surviving a Bird of Prey, B & B made it look like a battleship. So throughout the series Voyger was seen doing ridiculas things like fighting 2 KM long Ogla class battleships or taking on Borg Tactical Cubes.

Regarding the Prometheus I do not think it could singlehandedly defeated a Sphere. Two or three ships would have been required.

Uh right. IIRC Voyager is about the same size and capabilities as a Vor'cha class Klingon Attack Cruiser. Couldnt take on a BoP? Thats absurd.

Battleship my butt! If you have watched Voyager you would notice that Voyager is outclassed constantly. They never intended to be a Battleship.

The reason Voyager took on that Kazon Mammoth ship is because Kazon tech is VASTLY inferior to Federation technology. It would be like a current day Missile Boat taking on a 18th century Warship. Missile Boat wins. As did Voyager.

And regarding that Borg Cube, you may remember that Voyager was battered to bits before they could escape.

[Gandalf]

Don't forget that Seven upgraded everything using Borg technology every week or so, during the fifth season I though that when Voyager appeared in the AQ it would be a cube, the Starfleet would destroy it.

[Uraniun235]

IIRC Voyager is about the same size and capabilities as a Vor'cha class Klingon Attack Cruiser.

Incorrect. An Intrepid class starship is something around ~300 meters long, approximately the length of a Constitution class starship. By comparison, the Galaxy class is ~640 meters long. IIRC, a Vor'cha is approximately 2/3rds the length of a GCS.

[Darth Garden Gnome]

Incorrect. An Intrepid class starship is something around ~300 meters long, approximately the length of a Constitution class starship. By comparison, the Galaxy class is ~640 meters long. IIRC, a Vor'cha is approximately 2/3rds the length of a GCS.

That would put Vor'cha at approx. 420 meters in length. But IIRC, Federation technology by the TNG/DS9 era was superior to Klingon tech, so the scales are tipped a bit more in Voyager's favor. Whether or not that puts it on par with a Vor'cha class cruiser is debatable though.

EDIT: Then again the Intrepid class isn't a battleship, so it probably doesn't have the best weapon system the Federation can build. The Vor'cha is a battleship, however, and it will have the most firepower the Klingons can afford on it.

[Sarevok]

IIRC Voyager is about the same size and capabilities as a Vor'cha class Klingon Attack Cruiser.

Vorchas are 425 meter long compared to Voygers 300 meters. They would be definately be more powerful.

That would put Vor'cha at approx. 420 meters in length. But IIRC, Federation technology by the TNG/DS9 era was superior to Klingon tech, so the scales are tipped a bit more in Voyager's favor. Whether or not that puts it on par with a Vor'cha class cruiser is debatable though.

EDIT: Then again the Intrepid class isn't a battleship, so it probably doesn't have the best weapon system the Federation can build. The Vor'cha is a battleship, however, and it will have the most firepower the Klingons can afford on it.

The Vorcha is an attack cruiser not a battleship. The Neghvar is the Klingon battleship. Still Vorchas are very powerful starships. It was mentioned somewhere in DS9 that Vorchas are twice the strength of older battlecruisers. I will find the source of that quote soon.

Vorchas seem to designed to counter the Federation GCS and Nebula. While they are not quite the ship the Galaxy is they are close. In Bridgecommander a Vorcha could defeat a Galaxy when captained by a skilled player. Also DITL gives Vorcha stronger disruptors than GCS phaser array. While Bridgecommander and DITL are not canon I think they are close to the actual strength of Vorcha cruisers.

Voyger is a pathetic ship. It has only 32 torpedoes. A Sovergein could launch more torpedeos than that in a few seconds. Obviously Voyger is no match for a Vorcha class attack cruiser.

[Uraniun235]

Please do not EVER use Bridge Commander as a source of information. The ships are hideously misrepresented... do you honestly believe the GCS only has phasers on the saucer?

Intrepids are still multi-mission starships, like their bigger GCS relatives. Vor'chas are probably pure (well, as close as one can get to in Star Trek) warships. As such an Intrepid would probably find itself outmatched by a Vor'cha.

[Sarevok]

I was not claiming Bridgecommander is canon. Since we never saw Intrepids fight Vorchas the only way to speculate would be to simulate in a computer game. I did and found the Intrepid horribly outmatched. Of course the results are not canon but it is good for simulation purposes.

Intrepids are still multi-mission starships, like their bigger GCS relatives. Vor'chas are probably pure (well, as close as one can get to in Star Trek) warships. As such an Intrepid would probably find itself outmatched by a Vor'cha.

Do not forget how pitifuly underarmed a Intrepid is. An Intreopid has only 32 torpedoes. The Vorcha with it's wide variety of disruptor beams, cannons and torpedoes greatly outgun the Intrepid.

[TurboPhaser]

Incorrect. An Intrepid class starship is something around ~300 meters long, approximately the length of a Constitution class starship. By comparison, the Galaxy class is ~640 meters long. IIRC, a Vor'cha is approximately 2/3rds the length of a GCS.

That would put Vor'cha at approx. 420 meters in length. But IIRC, Federation technology by the TNG/DS9 era was superior to Klingon tech, so the scales are tipped a bit more in Voyager's favor. Whether or not that puts it on par with a Vor'cha class cruiser is debatable though.

<snip>

Those were my thoughts exactly. Quality over quantity.

Bigger does not mean better. If bigger was better, then a very large asteriod could defeat DS9.

[Sarevok]

But the Vorchas seem to have better armament and shielding. They survived hits that destroyed older battlecruisers in "Way of the Warrior".

[Uraniun235]

Do not forget how pitifuly underarmed a Intrepid is. An Intreopid has only 32 torpedoes. The Vorcha with it's wide variety of disruptor beams, cannons and torpedoes greatly outgun the Intrepid.

It's not like it can shoot it's whole load in one salvo. 32 torpedos is a lot more than we've ever seen come from any one ship in any of the TV series.

But I agree, the Intrepid is most likely outgunned.

[seanrobertson]

The Vorcha is an attack cruiser not a battleship. The Neghvar is the Klingon battleship. Still Vorchas are very powerful starships. It was mentioned somewhere in DS9 that Vorchas are twice the strength of older battlecruisers. I will find the source of that quote soon.

Hmm...I don't remember that quote.

Maybe you're thinking of the transcript of "Redemption," in which Picard remarks that IKS Bortas "should have twice the firepower of a Bird-of-Prey."

Considering that the E-nil outgunned Kruge's small scout 10-1, I imagine Picard was comparing Bortas to the B'Rel and K'Vort-class battlecruisers. (Yep, B'Rels. Okuda screwed up in designating them scouts. The one time we saw them, "Rascals," they were as big as the K'V in "Yesterday's Enterprise" (especially since it was just stock footage ).)

While captain of the Cardassian freighter Groumall in "Return To Grace," Dukat commented that it "would take a Vor'cha-class cruiser to do any damage" to a subterranian Cardie outpost:


KIRA
What about the Cardassian base on
the fourth moon of Rakal?

DUKAT
(shaking his head)
It's subterranean, much too
fortified to be a viable target
for a bird of prey. It would take
a Vor'Cha-class cruiser to do any
damage.

To my knowledge, that's the only DS9 reference to a Klingon attack cruiser's firepower.

However, I agree that an Intrepid is no match for an attack cruiser. An old D7 variant was a credible threat to VGR's shields in "Unexpected," so a modern, much more heavily armed ship should do a number on them.

There's also the matter of an attack cruiser's appreciable resistance to energy weapons if not collisions Caught off-guard, Bortas took a hellacious beating from two large BoPs in "Redemption" but her shields held for quite a long time.

VGR doesn't have a large torpedo inventory, but she does have a decent firing rate w/ two fwd. torpedo tubes. She might bloody an attack cruiser's nose a bit with a competent commander, but beyond that...

[SirNitram]

Incorrect. An Intrepid class starship is something around ~300 meters long, approximately the length of a Constitution class starship. By comparison, the Galaxy class is ~640 meters long. IIRC, a Vor'cha is approximately 2/3rds the length of a GCS.

That would put Vor'cha at approx. 420 meters in length. But IIRC, Federation technology by the TNG/DS9 era was superior to Klingon tech, so the scales are tipped a bit more in Voyager's favor. Whether or not that puts it on par with a Vor'cha class cruiser is debatable though.

<snip>

Those were my thoughts exactly. Quality over quantity.

Bigger does not mean better. If bigger was better, then a very large asteriod could defeat DS9.

...You know, I wish my irony meter would stop exploding(As a very large rock could easily destroy DS9. Particularly if it was moving quite fast at impact.).

[TurboPhaser]

That would put Vor'cha at approx. 420 meters in length. But IIRC, Federation technology by the TNG/DS9 era was superior to Klingon tech, so the scales are tipped a bit more in Voyager's favor. Whether or not that puts it on par with a Vor'cha class cruiser is debatable though.

<snip>

Those were my thoughts exactly. Quality over quantity.

Bigger does not mean better. If bigger was better, then a very large asteriod could defeat DS9.

...You know, I wish my irony meter would stop exploding(As a very large rock could easily destroy DS9. Particularly if it was moving quite fast at impact.).

That wasnt quite what I meant. Yes it could if DS9 was going:

'Oh what a pretty rock, lets leave our shields down and not shoot at it at all'

Boom.

What I meant was if a rock came and attacked DS9 with its rock cannons or something. But rocks dont have those, i was just trying to make a point that bigger aint better.