Romulan War

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-09-16 05:52pm

Does anyone else feel that the tech used on Enterprise is too advanced when compared with Spock's description of the war in TOS?

seanrobertson · Post by **seanrobertson** » 2003-09-16 06:11pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:Does anyone else feel that the tech used on Enterprise is too advanced when compared with Spock's description of the war in TOS?

Possibly.

In "Minefield," we've already seen Romulan ships with plasma weapons or disruptors. They also had cloaking devices.

Then we've got the NX-01 which uses proto-phasers and now, photon torpedoes.

We've yet to have a real contradiction, though. The NX-01's photorps might not be standard Starfleet issue projectile weapons for some time to come. And we have no idea what sort of range her phase cannons, or the Romulan disruptors, might have, so they might not be used a lot.

Their war could yet be fought largely with nuclear weapons, and we still haven't seen a Romulan, so that part of "BoT" hasn't been thoroughly trashed...yet.

Give it time, I say

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-09-16 07:49pm

Just cause they are calling it a Photon Torp, doesn't mean it's a TNG era Photon torp.

After all, it could refer to the weapons drive system

The only nit-pick I have are the Phase Cannons. Hopefully, other Earth ships will have lasers for some believable reason (i.e to cheap to arm the Starfleet with them, we need to get them more cost effective)

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-09-16 07:55pm

Phase cannon is the dumbest name I've heard for a weapon in a while. They shoot angular offsets at people?

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-09-16 08:02pm

seanrobertson wrote:
Admiral Johnason wrote:Does anyone else feel that the tech used on Enterprise is too advanced when compared with Spock's description of the war in TOS?
Possibly.

In "Minefield," we've already seen Romulan ships with plasma weapons or disruptors. They also had cloaking devices.

Then we've got the NX-01 which uses proto-phasers and now, photon torpedoes.

We've yet to have a real contradiction, though. The NX-01's photorps might not be standard Starfleet issue projectile weapons for some time to come. And we have no idea what sort of range her phase cannons, or the Romulan disruptors, might have, so they might not be used a lot.

Their war could yet be fought largely with nuclear weapons, and we still haven't seen a Romulan, so that part of "BoT" hasn't been thoroughly trashed...yet.

Give it time, I say

Yeah give Beanie and Buttmunch time to screw-up the Romulan war,using weapons other than nuclear.....worse case scenario they may invent a peaceful solution to this war.

seanrobertson · Post by **seanrobertson** » 2003-09-16 08:52pm

Solauren wrote:Just cause they are calling it a Photon Torp, doesn't mean it's a TNG era Photon torp.

After all, it could refer to the weapons drive system

The only nit-pick I have are the Phase Cannons. Hopefully, other Earth ships will have lasers for some believable reason (i.e to cheap to arm the Starfleet with them, we need to get them more cost effective)

But didn't they say that these "photonic torpedoes" have a M/AM warhead?

I'm almost certain they did. How that's significantly different than a photorp I dunno.

I agree, though, dumb-ass phase cannons ("Drop the R from phaser, and we're being clever!", say B&B) are more problematic.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-09-17 04:04am

Darth Wong wrote:Phase cannon is the dumbest name I've heard for a weapon in a while. They shoot angular offsets at people?

No. They kill you in distinct and discrete phases.

Embracer Of Darkness · Post by **Embracer Of Darkness** » 2003-09-17 06:13am

Admiral Johnason wrote:Does anyone else feel that the tech used on Enterprise is too advanced when compared with Spock's description of the war in TOS?

Does anyone else feel that this has been brought up fifty-thousand times already?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-09-17 06:34am

Embracer Of Darkness wrote:
Admiral Johnason wrote:Does anyone else feel that the tech used on Enterprise is too advanced when compared with Spock's description of the war in TOS?
Does anyone else feel that this has been brought up fifty-thousand times already?

Oh, oh!! I do, I do!!

Laird · Post by **Laird** » 2003-09-17 02:58pm

Solauren wrote:Just cause they are calling it a Photon Torp, doesn't mean it's a TNG era Photon torp.

After all, it could refer to the weapons drive system

The only nit-pick I have are the Phase Cannons. Hopefully, other Earth ships will have lasers for some believable reason (i.e to cheap to arm the Starfleet with them, we need to get them more cost effective)

Wrong,The inept klingon that is chasing enterprise in "expanse" says "What was that?!" "Some kind of antimatter warhead."-Duras and klingon bridge officer.

Antimatter weapons were not ready till TOS.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-09-17 08:57pm

Laird wrote:
Solauren wrote:Just cause they are calling it a Photon Torp, doesn't mean it's a TNG era Photon torp.

After all, it could refer to the weapons drive system

The only nit-pick I have are the Phase Cannons. Hopefully, other Earth ships will have lasers for some believable reason (i.e to cheap to arm the Starfleet with them, we need to get them more cost effective)
Wrong,The inept klingon that is chasing enterprise in "expanse" says "What was that?!" "Some kind of antimatter warhead."-Duras and klingon bridge officer.

Antimatter weapons were not ready till TOS.

Show where in ST canon that is said.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2003-09-17 09:33pm

Laird wrote:
Solauren wrote:Just cause they are calling it a Photon Torp, doesn't mean it's a TNG era Photon torp.

After all, it could refer to the weapons drive system

The only nit-pick I have are the Phase Cannons. Hopefully, other Earth ships will have lasers for some believable reason (i.e to cheap to arm the Starfleet with them, we need to get them more cost effective)
Wrong,The inept klingon that is chasing enterprise in "expanse" says "What was that?!" "Some kind of antimatter warhead."-Duras and klingon bridge officer.

Antimatter weapons were not ready till TOS.

And you DO know that Photon Torpedoes were a standard issue weapon on the Klingon Raptor in an earlier Enterprise Episode, right?

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-09-17 10:03pm

I'd like to here this:

Trip: "AP guns offline, armor at half charge and falling. C5-9 fuel lines venting, reactor had to be shut down. Backup batteries will run out by 0400."

Or something not STUPID like they have in the show.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2003-09-18 02:30am

On kind of a side note, does anyone remember the episode last season where they encoutered the alien race that asked Tucker if the weapons were Photonic based? What the hell was that supposed to mean? They are M/AM bombs right? What the hell is so special about this "photon" designation? Sigh, I get the feeling that trying to understand technobable isn't going to get me much of anywhere.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-09-18 09:00pm

I think they've gotten too used to some of their conventions. Photon being one... the "full power to [shield system]" being another, as I recall Archer once saying "full power to polarized armor" or something stupid like that, as if they'd taken "full power to shields" and just swapped out the terms. Utter laziness in the writing.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-09-18 09:25pm

I think it's "polarize the hull plating" actually.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-09-19 12:27am

neoolong wrote:I think it's "polarize the hull plating" actually.

The concept of polarized hull plating isnt an all-bad one. If weapons are charged, then having some charge polarization in the hull would push the incoming beam away, like two like charged pieces of material in a closed container hanging from two pieces of string. The hull could be a giant capacitor, and that would make sense with this polarization thing. But form some funny reason I highly doubt phasers/disruptors/etc are CPBs, especially because CPBs are useless when neutralization is simple enough.

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2003-09-20 04:30pm

B&B have just made a number of stupid assumptions about trek: it won't be trek if phasers or something similar aren't used, it won't be trek if photon torps aren't used, the Romulans won't be Romulans if they can't cloak, etc. It's just their idiotic attempt at keeping trek vintage which is horribly backfiring and making Ent something weird, lame, and all around continuity breaching. Let's leave it at that.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-09-20 07:25pm

Trogdor wrote:B&B have just made a number of stupid assumptions about trek: it won't be trek if phasers or something similar aren't used, it won't be trek if photon torps aren't used, the Romulans won't be Romulans if they can't cloak, etc. It's just their idiotic attempt at keeping trek vintage which is horribly backfiring and making Ent something weird, lame, and all around continuity breaching. Let's leave it at that.

Your idea about the Romulans having cloaks is false. The Romulans weren't supposed to have cloaks before TOS. In Balance of Terror, the say cloaking tech was still in the experimantal phase and that it had never been "seen" before. Ent. contirdicts that.

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2003-09-20 08:14pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:
Trogdor wrote:B&B have just made a number of stupid assumptions about trek: it won't be trek if phasers or something similar aren't used, it won't be trek if photon torps aren't used, the Romulans won't be Romulans if they can't cloak, etc. It's just their idiotic attempt at keeping trek vintage which is horribly backfiring and making Ent something weird, lame, and all around continuity breaching. Let's leave it at that.
Your idea about the Romulans having cloaks is false. The Romulans weren't supposed to have cloaks before TOS. In Balance of Terror, the say cloaking tech was still in the experimantal phase and that it had never been "seen" before. Ent. contirdicts that.

You missed the point, dear sir. Trogdor was suggesting that Messrs. Berman and Braga are willing to sacrifice consistency between series in the name of what they think is the "feel" of Star Trek -- i.e., having phasers, photon torpedos, and cloaking devices before they're supposed to exist.

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