Generations

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-09-04 08:46am

How fast did the saucer hit?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-09-04 09:56am

They were traveling at least 100 meters a second when they hit. The saucer was passing by the terrain VERY quickly.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-09-04 10:09am

Damn Canadians and their metric system.

Super-Gagme · Post by **Super-Gagme** » 2003-09-04 11:27am

More like "Damn rest of the world and their metric system"

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2003-09-04 11:32am

Yeah...

even the U.K. now more and more uses the metric system. The U.S. is the only one, who still says no.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-09-04 12:14pm

Tribun wrote:Yeah...

even the U.K. now more and more uses the metric system. The U.S. is the only one, who still says no.

You do realize I am from the States, right? I never use the Imperial system when I talk scifi.

Embracer Of Darkness · Post by **Embracer Of Darkness** » 2003-09-04 12:16pm

I'm from the UK and I don't actually know anyone who uses imperial. Long live the metric system.

Now only if we could get them to employ metric time.

greenmm · Post by **greenmm** » 2003-09-04 01:04pm

Alyeska wrote:They were traveling at least 100 meters a second when they hit. The saucer was passing by the terrain VERY quickly.

Not too bad, actually... works out to almost 224 mph (for those who don't like metrics).

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-09-04 01:38pm

Jesus, why are so many people bitching about us using metric all of a sudden?

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-09-04 02:11pm

The US tried the metric system, but in the 70s I believe but it didn't catch on.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-09-04 02:14pm

Aya wrote:The US tried the metric system, but in the 70s I believe but it didn't catch on.

No, I meant in this thread. I'm aware of the US attempting to convert to the metric system in the 70s.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-09-04 02:25pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Aya wrote:The US tried the metric system, but in the 70s I believe but it didn't catch on.
No, I meant in this thread. I'm aware of the US attempting to convert to the metric system in the 70s.

I wasn't replying to you. Bonk.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-09-04 02:36pm

Aya wrote:The US tried the metric system, but in the 70s I believe but it didn't catch on.

Do you know why?

Its because all the anti-Reds screamed you Commie at the guys who tried it in the 70's and they have never tried it since. US companies lobbiers might have something to do with it.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-04 02:36pm

If this hijack keeps going I'm locking the thread.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-09-04 02:41pm

100 m/s
that is pretty good clip!

if we only knew how far it travelled we could calculate the Acceleration of it slowing down.

The saucer made a pretty good gash in the forest.

I wonder did they actually pick the thing up or did they just leave it there?

If they left it there then that might qualify as a PD violation.

greenmm · Post by **greenmm** » 2003-09-04 02:59pm

Isolder74 wrote:100 m/s
that is pretty good clip!

if we only knew how far it travelled we could calculate the Acceleration of it slowing down.

The saucer made a pretty good gash in the forest.

I wonder did they actually pick the thing up or did they just leave it there?

If they left it there then that might qualify as a PD violation.

Don't know for sure, although it looked like they were salvaging it somewhat during the rescue operations at the end.

As for distance... without seeing it again, I can't say with any accuracy, but my guestimate is maybe 1 or 2 km (3 to 7 saucer diameters, as IIRC the saucer's roughly 300 m in diameter). Assuming steady decel and 1 km, it would work out to a decel time of 20 seconds and deceleration of 0.51g's; doubling out to 2 km would double the time and halve the decel.

I can't tell: is that too high of a crash value, or too low of a crash value?

Joe Momma · Post by **Joe Momma** » 2003-09-04 03:12pm

Couldn't you just count how many frames it took for the saucer to slide one saucer length (measured from the front to the back) and get a reasonable estimate?

-- Joe Momma

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-09-04 03:12pm

Isolder74 wrote:100 m/s
that is pretty good clip!

if we only knew how far it travelled we could calculate the Acceleration of it slowing down.

The saucer made a pretty good gash in the forest.

I wonder did they actually pick the thing up or did they just leave it there?

If they left it there then that might qualify as a PD violation.

Isn't there a theory that the Farrquat (or whatever that Nebulas name was) destroyed the saurcer from orbit?

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2003-09-04 07:52pm

Since I don't want to start a whole thread for this. Most sources have the akira as first appering in FC but it is in the last sence of GEN

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-09-04 08:00pm

Agent Fisher wrote:Since I don't want to start a whole thread for this. Most sources have the akira as first appering in FC but it is in the last sence of GEN

Um, no it isn't. There was a Nebula, Oberth, and Miranda: no Akria.

Besides, the Akira only exists as a CGI model, and hadn't been made until FC.

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2003-09-04 08:34pm

I could have sworn that one of those ships looked exactly like an Akira

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-09-04 08:50pm

Agent Fisher wrote:I could have sworn that one of those ships looked exactly like an Akira

No

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-09-04 08:53pm

Tribun wrote:
even the U.K. now more and more uses the metric system. The U.S. is the only one, who still says no.

Liberia and Burma as well, and I believe there's two others.

TurboPhaser · Post by **TurboPhaser** » 2003-09-05 02:21am

Isolder74 wrote:100 m/s
that is pretty good clip!

if we only knew how far it travelled we could calculate the Acceleration of it slowing down.

The saucer made a pretty good gash in the forest.

I wonder did they actually pick the thing up or did they just leave it there?

If they left it there then that might qualify as a PD violation.

Nah, they wouldnt have left it there. Imagine the inhabitants of Veridan 4 developing space travel, finding a habitable world right next door, then finding a crashed alien ship on it. They scream 'Oh Goody' and tear it apart for technology, or failing that, analyze the metal so they can make advanced materials. Then they find Kirks corpse and freak out totally.

Starfleet would have stripped all useful components from it (Including Spot) and either tractored it off the surface (which we saw no evidence of, they mighta come back later) or destroyed it there and then. I dont think destroying it would have been a good idea, debris may have been left behind, and the friggin huge crater would have raised a few eyebrows from the Veridan 4 people.

If the tractored it off, the vegetation would have time to grow back before the Veridan 4 astronauts arrived.

Um, no it isn't. There was a Nebula, Oberth, and Miranda: no Akria.

Besides, the Akira only exists as a CGI model, and hadn't been made until FC.

Yes, that is correct

A screencap from the DVD shows it:

On the left is the Miranda, in the middle is the Oberth and on the right is the Nebula class USS Farragut.

Edit: Fixed a few errors, it was Veridan 4, not 2. I remember now.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2003-09-05 03:42am

TurboPhaser wrote:Imagine the inhabitants of Veridan 2 developing space travel, finding a hadbitable world right next door, then finding a crashed alien ship on it. They scream 'Oh Goody' and tear it apart for technology, or failing that, analyzing the metal so they can make advanced materials. Then they find Kirks corpse and freak out totally.

Starfleet would have stripped all useful components from it (Including Spot) and either tractored it off the surface (which we saw no evidence of, they mighta come back later) or destroyed there and then. I dont think destroying it would have been a good idea, debris may have been left behind, and the friggin huge crater would have raised a few eyebrows from the Veridan 2 people.

The fear of the wreckage being discovered by the people of Veridian IV is somewhat unfounded. According to the population figure quoted by Data, the preindustrial civilisation on planet four is about equivalent to Earth civilisation circa C.E. 650. They would be 1100 years from the discovery of the basic principles of steam power and 1000 years from the telescope. By the time their science progresses to the level of manned interplanetary flight, the wreckage of the Enterprise would have long ago succumbed to exposure from the elements. Fragile materials would have deteriorated to dust and seismic movements and other environmental factors will have reduced the wrecked saucer to a jumble of debris until it would eventually be buried under forest or rock. Kirk's corpse would certainly not survive intact in all that time, especially not in a shallow grave.

By the time anybody from planet four made it to planet three, there would be very little left for them to examine.