Homage(blatant rip-off) episodes

FaxModem1 · Post by **FaxModem1** » 2003-08-13 04:56pm

Ok, trek has made fun of and/or imitated movies and TV shows. My question is what are all of them and what do they copy?

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-08-13 04:59pm

There was of course the homages to Sherlock Holmes in TNG.

One could say that Nemesis was an homage to TWOK if you were trying to be kind.

EDIT: Fixed the spelling on your thread title.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-08-13 05:06pm

I've always assumed that the interrogation that the Cardassians put Picard through was a reference to 1984. Whether it was an homage or a rip-off is up to interpretation, though I tend to prefer "homage."

Many people comment on the similarities between the Breen costume and Princess Leia's "Boush" disguise from RotJ, and almost everyone who sees parallels there tends to treat it as a rip-off.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-08-13 05:17pm

TNG "The Enemy" is obviously a direct plot lift of the movie "Enemy Mine".

FaxModem1 · Post by **FaxModem1** » 2003-08-13 05:36pm

And just to state mine

"Marauders"(shakes uncomfortably) is like a watered down version of The Magnificent Seven or The Seven Samurai

Eframepilot · Post by **Eframepilot** » 2003-08-13 06:32pm

A more direct homage of The Magnificent Seven was "The Magnificent Ferengi" on DS9.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-08-13 07:22pm

Voyager -- the episode where Ripley... I mean Captain Janeway fights the "macrovirus"

Voyager -- the Hirogen = Predators

Voyager (Scorpion 1 & 2) -- Species 8472 = cross between the Shadows & Vorlons of B5. They even had a lame-assed catch phrase in their original appearance.

IMO the biggest rip-off show ever was Sliders. In particular they did an episode that was so much like Species it was ridiculous.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-08-13 07:30pm

The Episode in TNG where it was revealed that Sarek was a Romulan commander trying to destroy the enterprise in a game of hide and go seek was a rip off of "Run Silent Run Deep" (I think, maybe it was another sub Movie which I saw)

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-08-13 08:02pm

Straha wrote:The Episode in TNG where it was revealed that Sarek was a Romulan commander trying to destroy the enterprise in a game of hide and go seek was a rip off of "Run Silent Run Deep" (I think, maybe it was another sub Movie which I saw)

Dude, you have the details wrong. It's TOS, and the Romulan commander was NOT Sarek (merely played by the same actor).

There have been at least a couple of TNG episodes that were basically rehashes of TOS... and I'm pretty sure VOY ripped off TNG at some point as well...

Macross · Post by **Macross** » 2003-08-14 01:31am

Master of Ossus wrote:Many people comment on the similarities between the Breen costume and Princess Leia's "Boush" disguise from RotJ, and almost everyone who sees parallels there tends to treat it as a rip-off.

The executive producers said that this was supposed to be an homage. The Breen were only supposed to appear once in the series, so they thought that it fun and their wouldnt be much fuss. It wasnt until the Breen became more prominent near then end that people started yelling "rip off".

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-08-14 03:45am

Morn in Quark's Bar. Direct homage to Cheers.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-08-14 05:44am

A Fistful of Datas = A Fistful of Dollars

Even had the Enterprise warping towards a sunset looking nebula at the end.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2003-08-14 08:19am

Gandalf wrote:A Fistful of Datas = A Fistful of Dollars

Even had the Enterprise warping towards a sunset looking nebula at the end.

YOu can't call that a ripoff as more or less every Western is a ripoff of every other Western

Stargate SG1 Fallen / Homecomming were both full of homages to other Sci Fi. THe F-302's 'Trench Run' on the Exhaust Port. The Crystal reactor which looked almost teh same as teh DS2's. The ID4 hovering of Anubis's ship over the city....

Old Plympto · Post by **Old Plympto** » 2003-08-14 11:23am

"Starship Mine" = Die Hard on the Enterprise.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-08-14 12:46pm

Enterprise had an episode with a TARDIS in it from Dr. Who.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-08-14 12:52pm

Old Plympto wrote:"Starship Mine" = Die Hard on the Enterprise.

With the difference that no Ferengi were killed during the making of the episode.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-08-14 01:04pm

Macross wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:Many people comment on the similarities between the Breen costume and Princess Leia's "Boush" disguise from RotJ, and almost everyone who sees parallels there tends to treat it as a rip-off.
The executive producers said that this was supposed to be an homage. The Breen were only supposed to appear once in the series, so they thought that it fun and their wouldnt be much fuss. It wasnt until the Breen became more prominent near then end that people started yelling "rip off".

That's the thing, though. If you do it once then it can be an homage, but once you start to base your own plot around something that you borrowed from another source, it becomes a rip-off. The Breen were a rip-off.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-08-14 02:02pm

Wasn't the TOS episode "Who Mourns For Adonis?" one big reference to Erich von Däniken?

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-08-14 02:19pm

Uraniun235 wrote:
Straha wrote:The Episode in TNG where it was revealed that Sarek was a Romulan commander trying to destroy the enterprise in a game of hide and go seek was a rip off of "Run Silent Run Deep" (I think, maybe it was another sub Movie which I saw)
Dude, you have the details wrong. It's TOS, and the Romulan commander was NOT Sarek (merely played by the same actor).

Is it just me, or do yoy not have the ability to detect latent sarcasm?

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-08-14 03:46pm

Personally i hate the way Trek keeps rehashing the same actors. There are more than 100 actors in America. Someone tell Paramount that.

Sothis · Post by **Sothis** » 2003-08-15 06:18pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
Macross wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:Many people comment on the similarities between the Breen costume and Princess Leia's "Boush" disguise from RotJ, and almost everyone who sees parallels there tends to treat it as a rip-off.
The executive producers said that this was supposed to be an homage. The Breen were only supposed to appear once in the series, so they thought that it fun and their wouldnt be much fuss. It wasnt until the Breen became more prominent near then end that people started yelling "rip off".
That's the thing, though. If you do it once then it can be an homage, but once you start to base your own plot around something that you borrowed from another source, it becomes a rip-off. The Breen were a rip-off.

Errr, other than appearance, how exactly were the Breen a rip-off? None of them ever went looking for Han Solo, or reveal themselves to be Princess Leia in disguise

Eframepilot · Post by **Eframepilot** » 2003-08-16 01:54am

Sothis wrote: Errr, other than appearance, how exactly were the Breen a rip-off? None of them ever went looking for Han Solo, or reveal themselves to be Princess Leia in disguise

Well, they did reveal themselves to be Kira in disguise twice.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2003-08-16 02:21am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:Wasn't the TOS episode "Who Mourns For Adonis?" (sp) one big reference to Erich von Däniken?

The episode predated the Von Däniken School of Crackpots by six years. Besides, the point of the episode wasn't the Ancient Astronauts Theory but rather the larger mythic theme of the death of the gods. Or rather, God. "Adonais" translates from the Greek as "God", so the title of the story really is "Who Mourns For God?"

Even for a god, there is a point of no return. Hera was first. She stood in front of the temple and spread herself upon the wind, until there was nothing left but the wind.

—Apollo, "Who Mourns For Adonais"

Datana · Post by **Datana** » 2003-08-16 02:41am

I recall that Deep Space 9's "Duet" is based on the play "The Man in the Glass Booth" by Robert Shaw. Having not read or seen the play in question, however, I wouldn't know the parallels.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-08-16 02:54am

Sothis wrote: Errr, other than appearance, how exactly were the Breen a rip-off? None of them ever went looking for Han Solo, or reveal themselves to be Princess Leia in disguise

So? How does this invalidate the fact that the Breen were used as a major plot piece, and had a similar appearance to Leia's disguise?

The Breen copied Leia's outfit. The Breen were a major plot point.

An homage would have inserted the Breen in the background of a scene or two, but an homage would not allow for a character based on someone else's work to become a significant part of the plot. Did you see the ET's inserted in TPM running around and altering political machinations? Did you see the spear Obi-Wan threw in AotC becoming a significant problem for the Acklay? Those were homages. I did see the Breen becoming major players in the Dominion War arc. I did see the Breen actually changing the balance of power. I did see the Breen significantly prolonging the war, and threatening the UFP-Romulan-Klingon alliance with total defeat. That is a rip-off.