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Go see the film, then talk. There is no "overshadowing", just a strong female protagonist working in tandem with the main hero. Which happened in many films, and nobody minds that. The only people who think it is wrong are probably just insecure. The film is awesome, by the way.

Man I wanna see it just to shit on the MRA's faces, but I refuse to go to a movie theater after my Age of Ultron experience. People apparently now think that movie theaters are just like their fucking living rooms, so they will put their feet up on the seat in front of them, browse on their fucking smartphones the entire goddamned time, and even worse, have entire conversations about the movie, during the movie. It's so bad now that the volume has been raised to ball-shredding levels to compensate for the general fucking rudeness of the population at large who when told to shut up will say "I paid for my ticket, fuck you!", as if everyone but them and their equally assholish friends snuck in and didn't also pay $9.50usd to try and see the fucking movie.

Worst of all, a fucking baby was crying the entire time, likely because it was so loud, which IMO is fucking child abuse to bring an infant to an action movie, not to mention rude as fuck since it's going to cry and shit the entire movie, making the place louder and smellier (because nerds are known for their good hygiene, right?). One motherfucker actually took a fucking phone call, but luckily said "I gotta hang up I'm in a movie" (airplane mode, dumbshit).

So as much as I'd love to piss in the mouths of every MRA who hates on this movie by seeing it in theaters, I'll wait for the VOD/Blu-ray.

Flagg, where do you live? Maybe a matinee showing would have fewer disruptions?


I think you will regret not seeing it in the theater. The art direction in this movie is beyond amazing. The story and characters are surprisingly well done. And then there is the hardcore, METAL action.

The themes of the movie have a strong feminist bent, but I wouldn't call the film emasculating.

Bob the Gunslinger wrote:The themes of the movie have a strong feminist bent

Could you be a bit more specific on that?

Bob the Gunslinger wrote:Flagg, where do you live? Maybe a matinee showing would have fewer disruptions?


I think you will regret not seeing it in the theater. The art direction in this movie is beyond amazing. The story and characters are surprisingly well done. And then there is the hardcore, METAL action.

The themes of the movie have a strong feminist bent, but I wouldn't call the film emasculating.

Marysville, WA. And I went to the matinee. It was worse than the totally packed midnight showings of 'The Dark Knight' and 'The Dark Knight Rises'. People these days just have no consideration for others in movie theaters because they are so used to watching high quality picture and sound shit at home. So I'll just wait until it comes out for home viewing, because it's cheaper and I don't have to deal with any inconsiderate fuckbags but me.

Despite all the huffing and puffing from MRAs and supposed Max fans, as well as self-appointed feminists crowing about this film being a feminist film that will 'trick' men into agreeing with them through action and ultraviolence, I didn't see anything particularly novel or extreme about its message unless you're the unusual sort who thinks people can be property or sex slaves are justifiable.

The three main protagonists are all more or less equally competent, though they all have their own specialties and learn to recognize and trust them. This meme complaining about Max being a sidekick is totally false; Max is there pretty much for his own, personal reasons.

The tedious politics surrounding it aside, the film is a legitimately enjoyable action film, which is fairly rare nowadays. The visual style is fully realized, the factions all colorful, the main characters believably motivated (even big bad Darth Rape Slaver). It is pretty relentlessly paced, however.

In this thread, we have someone who denies that they are any supporters of Men's Rights who are not misogynist.

That is correct. People who support Mens Rights (with the capitol letters) are misogynists, because the ideology they subscribe to is such. Sociologically, it is a reactionary backlash against feminism, and operates by attacking a distorted strawman of feminism, to the point that is so bad and so immune to argument and counter-example (like completely ignoring the fact that feminists support male victims of rape and domestic violence, and oppose gender discrimination in things like child custody, and also oppose male circumcision) that it takes on the aura of a conspiracy theory.

Good job with the selective quotation by the way. What the AVfM link to a defense of marital rape that you conveniently leave out.

Raw Shark wrote:Going by the trailers, Charlize Theron's female badass survivor character seems to be more than a little butch in appearance and demeanor, riding to the rescue of feminine damsels in distress. If anything, this is a celebration of traditional masculinity!

I'm getting sick and tired of Charlize Theron, one of the most beautiful movie stars in the world, playing roles where she has to look hideous or scary. Think of all the plain or ugly actresses she's taking jobs away from!

GuppyShark wrote:

Kojiro wrote:This seems relevant.
For those that can't or don't want to watch, the video points out that RoK is not an MRA and actually actively distance themselves from MRAs (and vice versa). It makes me wonder why the two groups are being conflated.

1) Can you find a source that doesn't unironically say "feminist propoganda" ten seconds into the video?
2) Why should we care if two groups of shitheads distance themselves from each other?

EDIT: After sleeping on it I decided I don't actually care at all about MRA infighting.

Considering that MundateMatt is a GamerGate supporter, I'd consider a seance with Elliot Rodger a more credible source.

Elfdart wrote:

Raw Shark wrote:Going by the trailers, Charlize Theron's female badass survivor character seems to be more than a little butch in appearance and demeanor, riding to the rescue of feminine damsels in distress. If anything, this is a celebration of traditional masculinity!

I'm getting sick and tired of Charlize Theron, one of the most beautiful movie stars in the world, playing roles where she has to look hideous or scary. Think of all the plain or ugly actresses she's taking jobs away from!

Hate to go too far off topic, but it was downright absurd casting her as Queen Ravenna opposite Kristen Stewart as Snow White.

Tanasinn wrote:Despite all the huffing and puffing from MRAs and supposed Max fans, as well as self-appointed feminists crowing about this film being a feminist film that will 'trick' men into agreeing with them through action and ultraviolence, I didn't see anything particularly novel or extreme about its message unless you're the unusual sort who thinks people can be property or sex slaves are justifiable.

The three main protagonists are all more or less equally competent, though they all have their own specialties and learn to recognize and trust them. This meme complaining about Max being a sidekick is totally false; Max is there pretty much for his own, personal reasons.

The fact that a nonzero number of women are protagonists and given equal relevance in the plot and shown to be the equal of the male protagonist is the "feminist propaganda" they're mewling about.

I don't know about you all, but the social media laughter at 'MRAs declaring feminist propaganda' has become a crazy word-of-mouth sort of advertisement for this movie. It's gotten as far as I'm aware of, minimal advertising beyond that. But it's exploded and I still saw a packed theater this morning at 10:30.

It's almost as if this entire hub-bub was one of the most effective bits of accidental marketing possible amongst people who'd be willing to see such a movie.

Barbara Streisand effect in action.

Nephtys wrote:I don't know about you all, but the social media laughter at 'MRAs declaring feminist propaganda' has become a crazy word-of-mouth sort of advertisement for this movie. It's gotten as far as I'm aware of, minimal advertising beyond that. But it's exploded and I still saw a packed theater this morning at 10:30.

It's almost as if this entire hub-bub was one of the most effective bits of accidental marketing possible amongst people who'd be willing to see such a movie.

They were spending more than 9 million a week on advertising as of the end of April. Not exactly minimal.

Flagg wrote: Marysville, WA. And I went to the matinee. It was worse than the totally packed midnight showings of 'The Dark Knight' and 'The Dark Knight Rises'. People these days just have no consideration for others in movie theaters because they are so used to watching high quality picture and sound shit at home. So I'll just wait until it comes out for home viewing, because it's cheaper and I don't have to deal with any inconsiderate fuckbags but me.

You could look for a better theater where they're serious about maintaining a good experience.

Around here we have the Alamo Drafthouse (movie theater where you can order dinner and alcohol during the movie).
There you just write on an order card that someone's being disruptive and they take care of it.

I also have found theater/restaurants to be better in general, possibly due to:
1. Smaller audiences (at most a few dozen tables per screen)
2. People are eating instead of talking
3. Being more expensive tends to weed out the noisy teenagers who are trying to stretch the value of their allowance dollars.


Saw Mad Max this last weekend, and I highly recommend seeing it in a theater if you can.

The MRAs are full of shit- Max is still very much the protagonist, but he shares the spotlight with Furiosa. They are both driving the movie, together.
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Well, I guess I'll be adding this to my list of things to see. I was on the fence, but a chance to spite sexists pushes it over the top.

I haven't seen any of the other Mad Max films though. Will that be an issue?

Not really, since stuff has apparently happened between the last film and this one that we're not yet privy to.

The story is very basic and the characters self explanatory.

I took my nephews to see it Monday and it was awesome. Yes, Furiosa took center stage at the expense of Max but who cares? My only issue with the movie was it was so LOUD, even compared to other action movies. But I had brought earplugs so everything was fine after the first few minutes.

The Romulan Republic wrote:Well, I guess I'll be adding this to my list of things to see. I was on the fence, but a chance to spite sexists pushes it over the top.

I haven't seen any of the other Mad Max films though. Will that be an issue?

Not really. Max is pretty much a lone sheriff from a western: He helps the regular folk against the bad guys and rides off into the sunset.

It's an A+ action movie. This is how it's done boys and girls. That the story contains feminist themes (which are organic to the plot and flow logically from the nature of the story) and that MRAs hate it is just the cherry on top.

You need know nothing about Mad Max going into it.

Imperial Overlord wrote:It's an A+ action movie. This is how it's done boys and girls. That the story contains feminist themes (which are organic to the plot and flow logically from the nature of the story) and that MRAs hate it is just the cherry on top.

How much of it is there? I sort of feel uncomfortable being exposed to any sort of propaganda on principal. So I need to know how much it's going to stand out during and after the film. Like for example in Avatar things did not stand out during the film on first viewing, but once you thought about it you got a bad aftertaste of "white man bad, oppressing the poor natives".

Purple, you are being ridiculous. Y he propaganda element is as simple as 'women are not property, see slaves is bad'

Purple wrote:How much of it is there? I sort of feel uncomfortable being exposed to any sort of propaganda on principal. So I need to know how much it's going to stand out during and after the film. Like for example in Avatar things did not stand out during the film on first viewing, but once you thought about it you got a bad aftertaste of "white man bad, oppressing the poor natives".

Poor natives! They thought the trail of tears was a reality, but for Purple it's "propaganda".

madd0ct0r wrote:Purple, you are being ridiculous. Y he propaganda element is as simple as 'women are not property, see slaves is bad'

Better safe than sorry.

K. A. Pital wrote:

Purple wrote:How much of it is there? I sort of feel uncomfortable being exposed to any sort of propaganda on principal. So I need to know how much it's going to stand out during and after the film. Like for example in Avatar things did not stand out during the film on first viewing, but once you thought about it you got a bad aftertaste of "white man bad, oppressing the poor natives".

Poor natives! They thought the trail of tears was a reality, but for Purple it's "propaganda".

Maybe you enjoy being made to feel guilty but I don't. I enjoy being entertained and being made to feel good about my self. Entertainment is supposed to make you feel good so you forget how shitty life is.

Purple wrote:Maybe you enjoy being made to feel guilty but I don't. I enjoy being entertained and being made to feel good about my self. Entertainment is supposed to make you feel good so you forget how shitty life is.

Were you an adult, I am sure you would not write the nonsense you do right now.