Better view on Enterprise-J....

dragon · Post by **dragon** » 2004-10-22 10:46am

Sidious wrote:Words can not accurately describe the revulsion I feel for this class.

Its taken years for the Sovereign class to grow on me, and its still one of my least favorite ship classes. This is like the Sovereign on a bad acid trip.

Hum I thought the Sovereign looked better than the Galaxy class. But then I don't like that wide saucer shape makes the ship look like a pancake. Might be why I like Star Wars ships. Also the Steamrunner looks like in might be more sound structure wise than E-J

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-10-22 01:47pm

The Steamrunner is about as good as you'll see in modern Trekships. The only things I can think of that are better are the Defiant and possibly the Miranda.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-10-22 01:53pm

I actually like it. But is just dosen't have a Federation style to it. It seems more alien. Meh, mabye that's why l like it.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-10-22 03:30pm

Howedar wrote:The Steamrunner is about as good as you'll see in modern Trekships. The only things I can think of that are better are the Defiant and possibly the Miranda.

The Nebula is another good design.

Mlenk · Post by **Mlenk** » 2004-10-22 03:32pm

dragon wrote: Hum I thought the Sovereign looked better than the Galaxy class. But then I don't like that wide saucer shape makes the ship look like a pancake. Might be why I like Star Wars ships. Also the Steamrunner looks like in might be more sound structure wise than E-J

I agree. The Galaxy looked like a piece of shit. I much prefer the more streamlined look of the Sovereign class.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-10-22 03:59pm

Mlenk wrote:
dragon wrote: Hum I thought the Sovereign looked better than the Galaxy class. But then I don't like that wide saucer shape makes the ship look like a pancake. Might be why I like Star Wars ships. Also the Steamrunner looks like in might be more sound structure wise than E-J
I agree. The Galaxy looked like a piece of shit. I much prefer the more streamlined look of the Sovereign class.

at least the galaxy didn't look like it could be snapped apart like a twig. the nacelle design looks like shit.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-10-22 04:43pm

One of the problems is that the saucer and engineering sections don't look anything like they belong together, like they were just slapped randomly together without any thought to continuity of design.

Sidious · Post by **Sidious** » 2004-10-22 04:57pm

Mlenk wrote:I agree. The Galaxy looked like a piece of shit. I much prefer the more streamlined look of the Sovereign class.

Actually the Galaxy is my favorite class, go figure.
But I agree, it doesnt exactly look like a great idea from a structural standpoint.

The Silence and I · Post by **The Silence and I** » 2004-10-22 05:30pm

The Galaxy has its moments. Trouble is, for me anyway, that the angles the special effects guys liked to use largely suck. Other rarely used angles can be very intimidating instead of looking like, I don't know, not intimidating?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-10-22 06:30pm

Oh Lord, I just realised that not only can I not really tell how many decks the damn saucer section has, I can't even tell how much of the saucer is even attached to the secondary hull.

It really does look like they took a stretched out D7, tilted the head down a little, and jammed a frisbee into the bottom of the head with an angled gap between the neck and the saucer.

I'm betting that at any other angles, this ship would look even more rediculous than it does now...

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-10-22 06:53pm

What we need are different angle shots and some schematics for this ship. Sadly we have none. At certain angles the secondary structure appears attached, at others it doesn't.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-10-22 10:15pm

Thats every picture on the calendar this year. Full pic, just small versions on the back of the calendar.

Dennis Toy · Post by **Dennis Toy** » 2004-10-22 10:18pm

agree. The Galaxy looked like a piece of shit. I much prefer the more streamlined look of the Sovereign class.

Actually the Galaxy is my favorite class, go figure.
But I agree, it doesnt exactly look like a great idea from a structural standpoint

say it loud I love the galaxy class, the constitution, the excelsior, the miranda, nebula and the stargazer class.

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-10-25 10:33am

Alyeska wrote:Thats every picture on the calendar this year. Full pic, just small versions on the back of the calendar.

We have that calender at Waldenbooks. That picture of the Enterprise and Reliant trading blows is awesome.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-10-25 02:20pm

Alyeska wrote:<snip>

Thats every picture on the calendar this year. Full pic, just small versions on the back of the calendar.

Wait, that's the Enterprise D in the top pic, right? I can see the registry number. Yet the saucer impulse engines are active. Weren't you making a big deal earlier about how they never were on the first flight Galaxies unless the saucer was detached?

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-10-25 02:22pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Wait, that's the Enterprise D in the top pic, right? I can see the registry number. Yet the saucer impulse engines are active. Weren't you making a big deal earlier about how they never were on the first flight Galaxies unless the saucer was detached?

Artistic liscense.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-10-25 04:25pm

Take a look at the registry on the Miranda in the DS9 shot. Better yet, look at its name. Its the Reliant.

The Fleet Musem makes two obvious mistakes as well. They used the wrong model for the Enterprise-B and they have the A missing on the Connie Refit. Technicaly they have the same ship side by side. Two NCC-1701s.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2004-10-25 06:45pm

Alyeska wrote:Take a look at the registry on the Miranda in the DS9 shot. Better yet, look at its name. Its the Reliant.

The Fleet Musem makes two obvious mistakes as well. They used the wrong model for the Enterprise-B and they have the A missing on the Connie Refit. Technicaly they have the same ship side by side. Two NCC-1701s.

The Connie didn't get the "A" when it got the refit. It was still the NCC-1701, no bloody A, B, C or D. The 1701-A didn't come along until the fourth movie.

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2004-10-25 06:48pm

Drooling Iguana wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Take a look at the registry on the Miranda in the DS9 shot. Better yet, look at its name. Its the Reliant.

The Fleet Musem makes two obvious mistakes as well. They used the wrong model for the Enterprise-B and they have the A missing on the Connie Refit. Technicaly they have the same ship side by side. Two NCC-1701s.
The Connie didn't get the "A" when it got the refit. It was still the NCC-1701, no bloody A, B, C or D. The 1701-A didn't come along until the fourth movie.

Fifth movie. Fourth was the one with the whales. Unless they slipped the A in at the end.

El Moose Monstero · Post by **El Moose Monstero** » 2004-10-25 06:49pm

Yeh, they did, last minute, travel pod rises past excelsior to see Enterprise A, "My Friends, we've come home" or something, then they test the ship and film ends on Ent-A going to warp.

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2004-10-25 06:52pm

The_Lumberjack wrote:Yeh, they did, last minute, travel pod rises past excelsior to see Enterprise A, "My Friends, we've come home" or something, then they test the ship and film ends on Ent-A going to warp.

Bastards... Oh well, it just makes the fourth movie that much better.

As for the poster. I must agree with Kuja, that Reliant Enterprise fight looks SO sweet.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-10-25 06:55pm

Drooling Iguana wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Take a look at the registry on the Miranda in the DS9 shot. Better yet, look at its name. Its the Reliant.

The Fleet Musem makes two obvious mistakes as well. They used the wrong model for the Enterprise-B and they have the A missing on the Connie Refit. Technicaly they have the same ship side by side. Two NCC-1701s.
The Connie didn't get the "A" when it got the refit. It was still the NCC-1701, no bloody A, B, C or D. The 1701-A didn't come along until the fourth movie.

The Fleet Museum is supposed to be EVERY Enterprise. It currently has the same ship TWICE. They fucked up and didn't put the A on the Connie Refit design.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-10-25 10:12pm

Bleh, including the Stargazer is a waste of ink, in my opinion...

Jon · Post by **Jon** » 2004-10-26 09:56am

Drooling Iguana wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Take a look at the registry on the Miranda in the DS9 shot. Better yet, look at its name. Its the Reliant.

The Fleet Musem makes two obvious mistakes as well. They used the wrong model for the Enterprise-B and they have the A missing on the Connie Refit. Technicaly they have the same ship side by side. Two NCC-1701s.
The Connie didn't get the "A" when it got the refit. It was still the NCC-1701, no bloody A, B, C or D. The 1701-A didn't come along until the fourth movie.

As Alyeska points out, the 1701 and it's refit are the same ship, hence 'refit'- the A was a new build.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-10-26 10:00am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Bleh, including the Stargazer is a waste of ink, in my opinion...

I like the Constellation class. I don't think Stargazer is more of a waste than, say, the NX-01 or E-J.