Galaxy Class Modifications - DS9 S4

[Sidious]

I dont believe they were that numerous. Sisko mentions a galaxy "wing" during one battle but we dont know how many ships a wing consists of, or whether that number is static across all classes.

I believe the most we see onscreen at one time is 5 or 6, during Sacrifice of Angles and Favor the Bold wideshots.

Whether some were knocked out of commision from damage I dont know, I was thinking more along the lines of being destroyed in combat.

The Odyssey obviously doesnt count against that supposed record.

[Thag]

I remember reading somewhere that there were two (Galaxy and Challenger?) that got the living shit beat out of them in one of the major battles and were laid up for months after the war ended. Can't remember where I saw that, though.

[Sidious]

Well we know the USS Galaxy survives to fight another day at least. She shows up in the fleet list that was supposed to take on the Scimitar during Nemesis.

What a trooper

[Sarevok]

I remember reading somewhere that there were two (Galaxy and Challenger?) that got the living shit beat out of them in one of the major battles and were laid up for months after the war ended. Can't remember where I saw that, though.

I think it was the USS Galaxy and the Venture.

[Sidious]

The Galaxy was one of them, according to StarTrek.com she was heavily damaged in the battle to take Cardassia.

[Alyeska]

I dont believe they were that numerous. Sisko mentions a galaxy "wing" during one battle but we dont know how many ships a wing consists of, or whether that number is static across all classes.

I believe the most we see onscreen at one time is 5 or 6, during Sacrifice of Angles and Favor the Bold wideshots.

Whether some were knocked out of commision from damage I dont know, I was thinking more along the lines of being destroyed in combat.

The Odyssey obviously doesnt count against that supposed record.

Actualy we saw 12 Galaxy's in a single fleet pan in Sacrafice Angels.

Here is another interesting fact. Of all the fairly common classes of ships shown in combat, only TWO never got blown up onscreen. The Galaxy class and Nebula class. We saw plenty of Akira's, Steamrunners, Excelsiors, Mirandas, and even two Defiants blown up, but never a Galaxy or Nebula.

However, we know that both classes did take losses in the war. Sisko was in a Nebula that was ambushed by a Cardassian Galor squadron (ouch) and destroyed. We also see the remains of a Galaxy at Chin'Toka when the Breen get involved. Some believe the Chin'Toka incident was a Nebula, but out of 100 ships sent (and most lost) I find it hard to believe that several Galaxy's werent included.

[Sidious]

Actualy we saw 12 Galaxy's in a single fleet pan in Sacrafice Angels.

The fleet in "Sacrafice of Angels" was combined from elements of 2 smaller fleets correct?

Do you think 6 Galaxys per fleet is average? We know there are hundreds of Mirandas and Excelsiors, signifigantly less Akira's, Steamrunners, and Nebulas.

I just have a hard time picturing more than a couple dozen Galaxy class ships in active service total. Even with the Federations obviously ramped up ship building industry.

[Chris OFarrell]

Actualy we saw 12 Galaxy's in a single fleet pan in Sacrafice Angels.

The fleet in "Sacrafice of Angels" was combined from elements of 2 smaller fleets correct?

Do you think 6 Galaxys per fleet is average? We know there are hundreds of Mirandas and Excelsiors, signifigantly less Akira's, Steamrunners, and Nebulas.

I just have a hard time picturing more than a couple dozen Galaxy class ships in active service total. Even with the Federations obviously ramped up ship building industry.

I dobut 6 is average...and as the war went on, we see a clear shift away from older ships to newer ships. Hell if you look at 'Endgame', Earths small defensive flotila had (out of 18 ships) at least 6 Galaxies, a Promethesus-B, Akiras, Defiants, Nebulas...

[Alyeska]

Actualy we saw 12 Galaxy's in a single fleet pan in Sacrafice Angels.

The fleet in "Sacrafice of Angels" was combined from elements of 2 smaller fleets correct?

Do you think 6 Galaxys per fleet is average? We know there are hundreds of Mirandas and Excelsiors, signifigantly less Akira's, Steamrunners, and Nebulas.

I just have a hard time picturing more than a couple dozen Galaxy class ships in active service total. Even with the Federations obviously ramped up ship building industry.

The Fleets clearly have far more Galaxy class ships then just 6. In that single pan shot no more then 60 ships are seen on screen (half unidentifyable) yet 12 Galaxys are shown. This is a fleet of 600 ships and we've just spotted 1/10 of the fleet with 12 Galaxy's. I do think more are back there. There is also the fact that Galaxy Wings were mentioned. Starfleet ramped up production of the Galaxy because its a fairly good ship.

[Sidious]

Makes sense. I guess I just think of the Galaxy as the Federations heavy hitter and therefore should be few in number. Like a carrier, with a fleet built around it.

Thinking too much in real world terms and pre dominion war Federation tactics

[Alyeska]

The ship in question is the USS Venture. One of the more impressive War Galaxy mods. Those bumps on the warp engines are infact phaser arrays.

Are you serious? They put a weapon on top of the fucking engine nacelle? You actually think that's impressive?

Phasers have no explossive element and we have never seen examples of damaging them causing further secondary damage. Instead adding these weapons to the engine nacelles addes a layer of defense. With most weapon strikes being beam weapons with NDF components the phaser arrays can absorb the shot while still allowing the engine some functionality.

[StarshipTitanic]

The ship in question is the USS Venture. One of the more impressive War Galaxy mods. Those bumps on the warp engines are infact phaser arrays.

Are you serious? They put a weapon on top of the fucking engine nacelle? You actually think that's impressive?

Phasers have no explossive element and we have never seen examples of damaging them causing further secondary damage. Instead adding these weapons to the engine nacelles addes a layer of defense. With most weapon strikes being beam weapons with NDF components the phaser arrays can absorb the shot while still allowing the engine some functionality.

Putting phasers on top of the engines gives the enemy more of a reason to shoot at them...

[Alyeska]

Are you serious? They put a weapon on top of the fucking engine nacelle? You actually think that's impressive?

Phasers have no explossive element and we have never seen examples of damaging them causing further secondary damage. Instead adding these weapons to the engine nacelles addes a layer of defense. With most weapon strikes being beam weapons with NDF components the phaser arrays can absorb the shot while still allowing the engine some functionality.

Putting phasers on top of the engines gives the enemy more of a reason to shoot at them...

Not as much as you think. Taking out the phasers themselves will not be as easy and they are not as inviting targets. The engines themselves are already inviting targets and having weapon systems on them will not increase their being a target by a significant amount. Furthermore the advantages of having them there outweigh the only risk mentioned (yours).

[Thag]

Actualy we saw 12 Galaxy's in a single fleet pan in Sacrafice Angels.

The fleet in "Sacrafice of Angels" was combined from elements of 2 smaller fleets correct?

Do you think 6 Galaxys per fleet is average? We know there are hundreds of Mirandas and Excelsiors, signifigantly less Akira's, Steamrunners, and Nebulas.

I just have a hard time picturing more than a couple dozen Galaxy class ships in active service total. Even with the Federations obviously ramped up ship building industry.

The Fleets clearly have far more Galaxy class ships then just 6. In that single pan shot no more then 60 ships are seen on screen (half unidentifyable) yet 12 Galaxys are shown. This is a fleet of 600 ships and we've just spotted 1/10 of the fleet with 12 Galaxy's. I do think more are back there. There is also the fact that Galaxy Wings were mentioned. Starfleet ramped up production of the Galaxy because its a fairly good ship.

Then again, maybe they just covered the core squadron or something. If I'm remembering correctly, at least one of those fleets was one of the ones guarding the core worlds, and the extra Galaxy's probably came from that group.

[InnocentBystander]

I'm pretty sure just extra phasers.

[Xon]

The Odyssey was being commanded in the same fashion as the Enterprise at Veridian III.

You mean with extreme incompetence?

They sat there absorbing damage while trying to find a shield frequency that worked. However, their damage absorbing abilities was that of a wet piece of paper.

So after getting his ship cut to bits, and the captain of the Odyssey realised he needed some actual weapons while talking to Sisko.

Extreme incompetence doesnt even begin to describe it.

[Alyeska]

Actualy the Odyssey incident isn't incompetence. It is overconfidence, arogance. The captain did not realize the gravity of the situation he was in. He did try to hold off the enemy, but after taking rather sevre damage at the start his ship was limited. Notice how he was limited to firing phasers only, or so it seemed.

BTW, he wasn't sitting there waiting to be killed. He was covering O'Brien while they were trying to rescue Sisko. Starfleet stated that was their primary mission. Also, the Odyssey didn't die after just a handful of hits to the hull. After watching the battle its obvious the Odyssey took sustained fire from the Jem'Hadar yet was still able to function and fight back.

[Kamakazie Sith]

The Odyssey was being commanded in the same fashion as the Enterprise at Veridian III.

You mean with extreme incompetence?

They sat there absorbing damage while trying to find a shield frequency that worked. However, their damage absorbing abilities was that of a wet piece of paper.

So after getting his ship cut to bits, and the captain of the Odyssey realised he needed some actual weapons while talking to Sisko.

Extreme incompetence doesnt even begin to describe it.

Hmm it's been a while since I saw the episode but I believe the Captain transfered shield power to weapons. In others he did not waste time trying to find a shield frequency that worked.....

[StarshipTitanic]

Hmm it's been a while since I saw the episode but I believe the Captain transfered shield power to weapons. In others he did not waste time trying to find a shield frequency that worked.....

He did that only after a technobabble exchange with Dax.

[Alyeska]

Hmm it's been a while since I saw the episode but I believe the Captain transfered shield power to weapons. In others he did not waste time trying to find a shield frequency that worked.....

He did that only after a technobabble exchange with Dax.

Which took very little time.

[StarshipTitanic]

Hmm it's been a while since I saw the episode but I believe the Captain transfered shield power to weapons. In others he did not waste time trying to find a shield frequency that worked.....

He did that only after a technobabble exchange with Dax.

Which took very little time.

It doesn't matter, he still wasted "time trying to find a shield frequency that worked."

[Thag]

How does that constitute a waste of time? They were in a situation where their primary defensive system was neutralized, they were tied to a relatively fixed location until the rescue was completed, and they were making an effort to be able to stay in the fight longer. They still continued firing and maneuvering, it's not like they just sat there and took fire while the entire crew fiddled with the shields.

[StarshipTitanic]

Bah, I only made that damn post to show that Kamakazie Sith that they did fiddle with the shield. *throws up hands*