Using projectile weapons versus the Borg.

PST: discuss Star Trek without "versus" arguments.

Moderator: Vympel

User avatar
The Yosemite Bear
Mostly Harmless Nutcase (Requiescat in Pace)
Posts: 35211
Joined: 2002-07-21 02:38am
Location: Dave's Not Here Man

Post by The Yosemite Bear »

still given conservation of momentum stopping power can still kill even if it fails to penetrate armour.
Image

The scariest folk song lyrics are "My Boy Grew up to be just like me" from cats in the cradle by Harry Chapin
User avatar
Darth Wong
Sith Lord
Sith Lord
Posts: 70028
Joined: 2002-07-03 12:25am
Location: Toronto, Canada
Contact:

Post by Darth Wong »

Is it possible to identify the particular weapon used in those screenshots?
Image
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing

"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC

"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness

"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Mike/RantMode/Blurbs.html
User avatar
Winston Blake
Sith Devotee
Posts: 2529
Joined: 2004-03-26 01:58am
Location: Australia

Post by Winston Blake »

Darth Wong wrote:Is it possible to identify the particular weapon used in those screenshots?
It looks similar to a Colt Peacemaker. I'm not familiar with revolvers; I just recalled that most Westerns have Colt Peacemakers in them.
User avatar
Sea Skimmer
Yankee Capitalist Air Pirate
Posts: 37390
Joined: 2002-07-03 11:49pm
Location: Passchendaele City, HAB

Post by Sea Skimmer »

hawkwind wrote: I think that WW I is advent of really modern cartrdiges with smaller caliber ogival-pointed steel jacketed and/or cored bullets like .303 british, later .308 winchester or 8 mm mauser...
You think wrong then. The birthplace of modern high velocity ammo with pointed bullets would be the French Lebel 1886 rifle firing 8x50R ammunition. This was the first gun and cartridge design to use smokeless powder, nearly thirty years before The Great War.
hawkwind wrote:Also modern anti armour penetrators for cartridges like 50 BMG can be CNC machined solid bronze alloy slugs, since we can make better gun barrels.
No. Bronze is fairly soft and most certainly not ever used for armor piercing projectiles. Hardened steel, tungsten and depleted uranium are what they make AP rounds out of these days. In the case of AP rifle and pistol cartridges, the projectile may only have a hard core, surrounded by soft lead or aluminum with a copper jacket, or the entire projectile may be a single solid piece of hardened material. Capped AP ammo has been manufactured in calibers as small as 7.92mm, perhaps even smaller, but that isn’t typical.
hawkwind wrote:Oh - the stopping power of these old guns is no doubt. As I said old .45 cartridges have more internal volume, so they were loaded with more powder than their todays versions.
Colt Dragoon, percussion revolver, can load 60 gr of black powder, that is huge load. It very nearly to modern .44 magnum cartridge in terms of power.

The Colt Dragoon also happens to be as big and heavy as some submachine guns, and in fact has a chamber which will only hold a 50 grain charge, because the 60 grain charge on earlier models led to bursting. Not the most useful of weapons all and all. It is NOT as powerful as a modern .44 magnum, though .357 magnum is a close equivalent. .44 magnum has around 200ft•lb more energy.

The characteristics of those big revolvers and there ammunition are in any case exactly the opposite of what you want for maximum armor penetration.
"This cult of special forces is as sensible as to form a Royal Corps of Tree Climbers and say that no soldier who does not wear its green hat with a bunch of oak leaves stuck in it should be expected to climb a tree"
— Field Marshal William Slim 1956
User avatar
Peptuck
Is Not A Moderator
Posts: 1487
Joined: 2007-07-09 12:22am

Post by Peptuck »

I recently saw "Fistful of Datas" on Spike. Evil Data definitely fired off six rounds at Worf's jury-rigged energy shield.
X-COM: Defending Earth by blasting the shit out of it.

Writers are people, and people are stupid. So, a large chunk of them have the IQ of beach pebbles. ~fgalkin

You're complaining that the story isn't the kind you like. That's like me bitching about the lack of ninjas in Robin Hood. ~CaptainChewbacca
User avatar
Gullible Jones
Jedi Knight
Posts: 674
Joined: 2007-10-17 12:18am

Post by Gullible Jones »

How did Worf take it? Did he get knocked back, or did he just stand still?
User avatar
The Yosemite Bear
Mostly Harmless Nutcase (Requiescat in Pace)
Posts: 35211
Joined: 2002-07-21 02:38am
Location: Dave's Not Here Man

Post by The Yosemite Bear »

he used the slow knife...
Image

The scariest folk song lyrics are "My Boy Grew up to be just like me" from cats in the cradle by Harry Chapin
User avatar
Peptuck
Is Not A Moderator
Posts: 1487
Joined: 2007-07-09 12:22am

Post by Peptuck »

Gullible Jones wrote:How did Worf take it? Did he get knocked back, or did he just stand still?
He stood still. The rounds were completely deflected as far as I could see.
X-COM: Defending Earth by blasting the shit out of it.

Writers are people, and people are stupid. So, a large chunk of them have the IQ of beach pebbles. ~fgalkin

You're complaining that the story isn't the kind you like. That's like me bitching about the lack of ninjas in Robin Hood. ~CaptainChewbacca
Post Reply