Posted: 2002-11-11 04:01pm
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Heretic! Posted: 2002-11-11 04:05pm
BLASPHEMER!!! KILL HIM!
Posted: 2002-11-11 04:08pm
You should read Fist of the Empire for your first comment, and be shot a dawn for the second one.Crazy_Vasey wrote:I like the shadowfleet. Feds with balls.
Oh and if Thrawn gets killed then I for one will not be complaining. I never liked the guy, smacked of author egotrip to me the way Zahn wrote him at times.
Posted: 2002-11-11 04:09pm
And here I thought the two terms were mutually exclusive.Crazy_Vasey wrote:I like the shadowfleet. Feds with balls.
I agree to an extent. It better be spectacular, and he must take no less than two-thirds of the remaining enemies with him.Oh and if Thrawn gets killed then I for one will not be complaining.
He's better than KJA and Kyp Durron.I never liked the guy, smacked of author egotrip to me the way Zahn wrote him at times.
Posted: 2002-11-11 04:12pm
That's like saying someones not as much of a genocidal maniac as Hitler or Stalin.
Posted: 2002-11-11 04:19pm
i like thrawn!! and i need more!!! any rumors about the next champter yet?
Posted: 2002-11-11 05:46pm
Crazy_Vasey wrote:I like the shadowfleet. Feds with balls.
Oh and if Thrawn gets killed then I for one will not be complaining. I never liked the guy, smacked of author egotrip to me the way Zahn wrote him at times.
You die now.
And Stravo, Thrawn does not die. He DOES NOT DIE DO YOU HEAR ME?!?!?!?!?!
Posted: 2002-11-11 06:08pm
His remaining enemies may not mass less then 250 billion tonsIG-88E wrote:And here I thought the two terms were mutually exclusive.Crazy_Vasey wrote:I like the shadowfleet. Feds with balls.
I agree to an extent. It better be spectacular, and he must take no less than two-thirds of the remaining enemies with him.Oh and if Thrawn gets killed then I for one will not be complaining.
Posted: 2002-11-11 07:33pm
Stravo, I understand what you intended regarding the violence/gore/semi-quasi-pseudo-explicit material in the fic. 
You *have* been using such sparingly, which probably made it all the more shocking when Adare went all 'Reservoir Feds' on that Imp officer.
Also, when you said 'The shadowfleet are patriots,' I was reminded of the movie Swordfish, arguably John Travolta's only worthwhile and decent role in recent years. Your presentation of the irony of these crashing boors protecting the Federation in ways that it publically demonizes is subtle and appropriate.
You make a good point regarding the CIA and NSA (especially with the US military introducing Carnivore/Echelon II). In a sense, though, the mere existence and flourishing (even in *canon*) of an organization like S.31 makes the Federation all the more distasteful for me; all their high ideals, all their high standards, are all false. It makes Riker shouting, 'We're better than that!' sad; the characters in Star Trek are living a lie. This, I think, is the most horrendous and vicious act of literary murder that B&B could have committed. Putting aside the question of the actual possibility and validity of a society such as the NextGen Federation, it says that there is no way that such a society can exist without resorting to underhanded, dirty tricks that such a society supposedly turns it's back on.
It's a level of dishonesty that, if you think about it, is simply staggering. I have no doubts that the CIA and NSA do that sort of thing; US involvement in interference in sovereign nations is well-documented. But I guess that, in the modern US at least, it's acknowledged that it exists. The Federation really doesn't have that. The first reaction of everyone who learns about S.31 says, 'Oh, that's impossible, such an agency can't and shouldn't exist! The Federation wouldn't do such a thing!' (Conversely, the reaction of most US citizens when confronted with the dirty deads of the NSA and CIA is, usually, 'Yeah, they're spooks, and they've done some pretty damn bad things.' Which in and of itself boggles the mind.) That a society doesn't want to 'get its hands dirty' is too bad; a society has to acknowledge and accept what is done in it's name, or it must take measures to ensure that such is not done in it's name. If that means giving up on certain tenets of belief and ways of life, then society has a really hard decision to make: in this case, the Federation as a whole would have to accept that 'the price of freedom is eternal (preemptive) vigilance,' or it would have to take measures that an agency such as S.31 should not *need* to exist. Either way, it means an end to the utopia.
Sorry for the rambling here. The point is, I'm not arguing anything against what you've written, in fact I think you've been having a very appropriate presentation of how organizations such as the Shadowfleet, S.31, and the Vulcan... uhm... whatever-they-are (conspiracies without a name are even more scary! ) would function.
Hey, Picard should be the conscience of the Shadowfleet. Whatever happened to him?
You *have* been using such sparingly, which probably made it all the more shocking when Adare went all 'Reservoir Feds' on that Imp officer.Also, when you said 'The shadowfleet are patriots,' I was reminded of the movie Swordfish, arguably John Travolta's only worthwhile and decent role in recent years.
Your presentation of the irony of these crashing boors protecting the Federation in ways that it publically demonizes is subtle and appropriate.You make a good point regarding the CIA and NSA (especially with the US military introducing Carnivore/Echelon II). In a sense, though, the mere existence and flourishing (even in *canon*) of an organization like S.31 makes the Federation all the more distasteful for me; all their high ideals, all their high standards, are all false. It makes Riker shouting, 'We're better than that!' sad; the characters in Star Trek are living a lie. This, I think, is the most horrendous and vicious act of literary murder that B&B could have committed. Putting aside the question of the actual possibility and validity of a society such as the NextGen Federation, it says that there is no way that such a society can exist without resorting to underhanded, dirty tricks that such a society supposedly turns it's back on.
It's a level of dishonesty that, if you think about it, is simply staggering. I have no doubts that the CIA and NSA do that sort of thing; US involvement in interference in sovereign nations is well-documented. But I guess that, in the modern US at least, it's acknowledged that it exists. The Federation really doesn't have that. The first reaction of everyone who learns about S.31 says, 'Oh, that's impossible, such an agency can't and shouldn't exist! The Federation wouldn't do such a thing!' (Conversely, the reaction of most US citizens when confronted with the dirty deads of the NSA and CIA is, usually, 'Yeah, they're spooks, and they've done some pretty damn bad things.' Which in and of itself boggles the mind.) That a society doesn't want to 'get its hands dirty' is too bad; a society has to acknowledge and accept what is done in it's name, or it must take measures to ensure that such is not done in it's name. If that means giving up on certain tenets of belief and ways of life, then society has a really hard decision to make: in this case, the Federation as a whole would have to accept that 'the price of freedom is eternal (preemptive) vigilance,' or it would have to take measures that an agency such as S.31 should not *need* to exist. Either way, it means an end to the utopia.
Sorry for the rambling here.
The point is, I'm not arguing anything against what you've written, in fact I think you've been having a very appropriate presentation of how organizations such as the Shadowfleet, S.31, and the Vulcan... uhm... whatever-they-are (conspiracies without a name are even more scary! ) would function.Hey, Picard should be the conscience of the Shadowfleet. Whatever happened to him?
Posted: 2002-11-11 07:40pm
He's busy trying to talk sense into the Gorn and Tholians.ViciousMink wrote:Hey, Picard should be the conscience of the Shadowfleet. Whatever happened to him?
Posted: 2002-11-11 10:25pm
Oh, that's right, I forgot about that. Guess that last chapter just blew me away too much.IG-88E wrote:He's busy trying to talk sense into the Gorn and Tholians.ViciousMink wrote:Hey, Picard should be the conscience of the Shadowfleet. Whatever happened to him?
Posted: 2002-11-11 11:41pm
LOL, yeah. Stravo's writing can do that.
Posted: 2002-11-12 03:40am
Transphasic torpedoes are not an ace in the hole. 
Posted: 2002-11-12 08:53am
The Shadowfleet doesn't know that.
Posted: 2002-11-12 12:30pm
You have learned much young one.....D.Turtle wrote:The Shadowfleet doesn't know that.
Posted: 2002-11-12 12:48pm
stravo i need more!!!
Posted: 2002-11-12 01:21pm
Everyone wants more Fanfic but only certian people get to read the roughy copy the day before its posted
Posted: 2002-11-12 01:30pm
damm, you make me jealous bean..
Posted: 2002-11-12 01:39pm
You should have criticized Star Crossed more, Necron. Bean probably got this priviledge because Stravo has the impression that he is the authority when it comes to canon figures heredamm, you make me jealous bean..
Or he's just posturing in case he doesn't get to read the next chapter first, so that he can say he read the rough copy beforehand anyways
Posted: 2002-11-12 01:54pm
I'M NOT LISTENING! LA, LA LA LA, LA LAAAAAAH!!Mr Bean wrote:Everyone wants more Fanfic but only certian people get to read the roughy copy the day before its posted
Posted: 2002-11-12 02:24pm
hmmm Shadow Fleet attacks Thrawns fleet when info is tiopped to them that more Imperials are inbound*L* Vader meets the head of the Shadow Fleet
Posted: 2002-11-12 02:40pm
spoiler warning?
Posted: 2002-11-12 03:49pm
Nope he does not recive a pre-relase editoral comment verison
I should know
I should know
Posted: 2002-11-12 03:50pm
argh i think he wants us to be envy!!!
Posted: 2002-11-12 03:52pm
Ahhh who caresPeZook wrote:You should have criticized Star Crossed more, Necron. Bean probably got this priviledge because Stravo has the impression that he is the authority when it comes to canon figures heredamm, you make me jealous bean..
Or he's just posturing in case he doesn't get to read the next chapter first, so that he can say he read the rough copy beforehand anyways