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Posted: 2003-03-16 06:44am
by The Duchess of Zeon
Stuart Mackey wrote:
Raxmei wrote:Isn't Duchess already a title? :D Anyhow, she is one of the more prominent personalities on the board. If you count in her ASVS posts she'll probably fit the post requirement too. If you can find a title that fits well I'm all for giving it to her.
But not under these circumstances.
It's all a matter of fun, now. Has anyone else here actually read The Philosophy of History in its entirety?

Posted: 2003-03-16 06:45am
by The Duchess of Zeon
Pistolero wrote:
Jeeez... do you ever sleep? (I guess I should first ask what your time zone is :P )
I am a very light sleeper who keeps very odd hours.

Posted: 2003-03-16 06:49am
by Sir Sirius
My suggestion: 'Fascist'

Fascism. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
Fascist. An advocate or adherent of fascism.

Considering her oppinions about Israel, Burqas, Pinochet, Mosques and the governing of a society I think that it is quite fitting.
The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Humans are incapable of going beyond that form of thinking. It's part of human nature. We're aggressive, parochial, mercurial, hypocritical, shifty and treacherous creatures. The best that can be done is establish a modicum of order, as managed by Law and enforced with State Violence, inside of the boundaries of a single Nation-State.

Posted: 2003-03-16 06:50am
by haas mark
The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
Pistolero wrote:
Jeeez... do you ever sleep? (I guess I should first ask what your time zone is :P )
I am a very light sleeper who keeps very odd hours.
You sound like me...

Posted: 2003-03-16 06:51am
by The Duchess of Zeon
Sir Sirius wrote:My suggestion: 'Fascist'

Fascism. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
Fascist. An advocate or adherent of fascism.

Considering her oppinions about Israel, Burqas, Pinochet, Mosques and the governing of a society I think that it is quite fitting.
The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Humans are incapable of going beyond that form of thinking. It's part of human nature. We're aggressive, parochial, mercurial, hypocritical, shifty and treacherous creatures. The best that can be done is establish a modicum of order, as managed by Law and enforced with State Violence, inside of the boundaries of a single Nation-State.
I'd direct you to the twelfth post on this page:

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... 2&start=75

Posted: 2003-03-16 07:13am
by Stuart Mackey
The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
Stuart Mackey wrote:
Raxmei wrote:Isn't Duchess already a title? :D Anyhow, she is one of the more prominent personalities on the board. If you count in her ASVS posts she'll probably fit the post requirement too. If you can find a title that fits well I'm all for giving it to her.
But not under these circumstances.
It's all a matter of fun, now. Has anyone else here actually read The Philosophy of History in its entirety?
Nope, never read it at all. What point of veiw does it take?

Posted: 2003-03-16 07:14am
by Sir Sirius
OK, let's make it: 'Hypocritical facist

Posted: 2003-03-16 07:20am
by The Duchess of Zeon
Stuart Mackey wrote:
Nope, never read it at all. What point of veiw does it take?
To make a long story very short, Hegel was the guy who invented the Dialectic. Then Marx tacked on the idea that there was a stage beyond the State and Capitalist Democracy. If you strip away Marx, the Hegelian Dialectic still makes excellent sense.

Posted: 2003-03-16 07:27am
by Posbi
Jeez, she's neither an idiot (really, now, that's pretty obvious that she isn't one) nor a troll (as she doesn't argue just for the sake of the arguement), so where the hell's the problem here?

Granted, I'm maybe not the best to judge this matter as I pretty constantly lean towards what she writes... :P

Posted: 2003-03-16 07:36am
by The Duchess of Zeon
Posbi wrote:Jeez, she's neither an idiot (really, now, that's pretty obvious that she isn't one) nor a troll (as she doesn't argue just for the sake of the arguement), so where the hell's the problem here?

Granted, I'm maybe not the best to judge this matter as I pretty constantly lean towards what she writes... :P
People like you are the hope of your nation, and force me to remind myself that GWF Hegel himself came from it.

Posted: 2003-03-16 08:07am
by Posbi
Thank you. :)

Posted: 2003-03-16 08:20am
by The Duchess of Zeon
Posbi wrote:Whisky-tango-foxtrot?
I think we should maintain this triple post, since it ended with you possessing sixty-nine posts. *g*

Ooops.. sorry.. Now's too late :oops:

Posted: 2003-03-16 10:57am
by MKSheppard
Another suggestion:

"The Otto Ohlendorf of SDN"

Posted: 2003-03-16 11:13am
by Stormbringer
Frankly, I don't see there being any case for it. She's hardly being an idiot or a troll about any of this. Just because people disagree with her doesn't mean she needs to get title.


And let faces it Enlightenment and Shep are pressing for it because of their grudges. Ted's doing it because he's Shep buttmonkey.

Posted: 2003-03-16 11:14am
by MKSheppard
Stormbringer wrote:Frankly, I don't see there being any case for it. She's hardly being an idiot or a troll about any of this.
She claimed that a US Army General could get his troops to march on
Washington DC and coup the US Government if the general offered
them bonuses to do so... :roll:

Posted: 2003-03-16 11:16am
by Colonel Olrik
She has never been offensive and she can handle a debate. I'm against an offensive title. Leave the custom one or come up with an inventive title that she also approves. I liked the Turkish harem girl one :P

Posted: 2003-03-16 11:17am
by Stormbringer
MKSheppard wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:Frankly, I don't see there being any case for it. She's hardly being an idiot or a troll about any of this.
She claimed that a US Army General could get his troops to march on
Washington DC and coup the US Government if the general offered
them bonuses to do so... :roll:
So?

That doesn't have any bearing on the fact that you're doing this because of your grudge against her.

Posted: 2003-03-16 11:18am
by Sea Skimmer
Well the majority is against this, and I also think it's a stupid idea. She doesnt troll.

The most I'd support would be letting her chose own title that describes her view. Then we can enjoy spending a half hour with history books trying to figure out what it means and what century it's from.

Posted: 2003-03-16 11:25am
by haas mark
Sea Skimmer wrote:Well the majority is against this, and I also think it's a stupid idea. She doesnt troll.

The most I'd support would be letting her chose own title that describes her view. Then we can enjoy spending a half hour with history books trying to figure out what it means and what century it's from.
And which dead language. o O

Posted: 2003-03-16 11:30am
by HemlockGrey
Turkish Harem Girl is incredibly amusing.

Posted: 2003-03-16 11:30am
by Pablo Sanchez
I don't think she deserves a title, because, while I certainly disagree with her views on government, she's never really been very obnoxious. If she deserves a title for anything, it should be for her constant and annoying use of obfuscatory language.

Posted: 2003-03-16 11:43am
by Andrew J.
I don't think she deserves a custom title based on her political opinions. On the other hand, I wouldn't be opposed to a title mocking how long some of her posts tend to get. Oh, and it would have to be in Latin, of course.

Posted: 2003-03-16 11:47am
by Frank Hipper
Nationalist Pig??? That's really got me pissed off. This thread has me a little pissed, come to think of it.

Posted: 2003-03-16 11:50am
by Stormbringer
Frank Hipper wrote:Nationalist Pig??? That's really got me pissed off. This thread has me a little pissed, come to think of it.
Let it go. The only people that seem to be a pressing for it are the people with pointless vendettas against Marina anyways.

Posted: 2003-03-16 11:54am
by beyond hope
Sir Sirius wrote:My suggestion: 'Fascist'

Fascism. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
Fascist. An advocate or adherent of fascism.

Considering her oppinions about Israel, Burqas, Pinochet, Mosques and the governing of a society I think that it is quite fitting.
The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Humans are incapable of going beyond that form of thinking. It's part of human nature. We're aggressive, parochial, mercurial, hypocritical, shifty and treacherous creatures. The best that can be done is establish a modicum of order, as managed by Law and enforced with State Violence, inside of the boundaries of a single Nation-State.
So if I say that it makes perfect sense to me, I'm the next in line for a custom title? What, ultimately, is the penalty if one of us breaks the law in whatever country we live in? If one refuses to go quietly with the officers of the law who show up to collect you, what will they do next? Ask again, politely? Regardless of what sort of government you live under, compliance with the law is always enforced with the threat of some form of violence. Where you live merely determines what forms of violence the state can call on when you don't play by the rules.

I say no, and I think the custom titling is starting to get out of hand.