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"Star Trek: Countdown" (movie prequel comic) - spoilers

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Re: "Star Trek: Countdown" (movie prequel comic) - spoilers

Posted: 2009-03-31 02:47pm
by Bounty
LordOskuro wrote:I'm curious, what is Picard's career change?
Ambassador to Vulcan.
Darth Lucifer wrote:
Gandalf wrote:Spoiler
Also, how did Worf go from Federation Ambassador to General? *grumble*
Spoiler
He joined the House of Martok, right? Perhaps he took it over
Spoiler
Counting Nemesis it's clear nobody has a damn clue what to do with Worf. He's been an ambassador on and off, back to Starfleet, now... the Klingon military? It's not blatantly impossible, but really, that old standby is the only thing they could come up with?

Re: "Star Trek: Countdown" (movie prequel comic) - spoilers

Posted: 2009-03-31 03:44pm
by Darth Onasi
Bounty wrote:
LordOskuro wrote:I'm curious, what is Picard's career change?
Ambassador to Vulcan.
Wait, what? I know Picard's had a probable future as an ambassador since "All Good Things" but to Vulcan?
Why waste such a prominent figure on a member world!?

... unless he's the Klingon ambassador to Vulcan. :P

Re: "Star Trek: Countdown" (movie prequel comic) - spoilers

Posted: 2009-04-01 11:56am
by Jon
Spoiler
So the last Countdown comic is out and it reveals that Nero's plan was just to go all out and attack Earth and Vulcan in the present, but Spock uses the special ship designed by La Forge to drop some red matter into the supernova, and he and the Narada are pulled into the singularity it creates and thrown back in time. I wonder if this will be shown in the film, rather than portraying Nero as intending to travel through time to execute his plan

Re: "Star Trek: Countdown" (movie prequel comic) - spoilers

Posted: 2009-04-01 12:57pm
by Bounty
So they fucked it all up. All that buildup and then bam, "oh it's all just a big accident".

I vote AFD joke.

Re: "Star Trek: Countdown" (movie prequel comic) - spoilers

Posted: 2009-04-01 01:11pm
by DaveJB
Sounds like it beats the alternative - Nero deliberately going back in time to fuck up Federation history would likely have felt like a copy of First Contact's plot.

Re: "Star Trek: Countdown" (movie prequel comic) - spoilers

Posted: 2009-04-01 01:20pm
by Jon
Bounty wrote:So they fucked it all up. All that buildup and then bam, "oh it's all just a big accident".

I vote AFD joke.
I prefer they do it that way tbh, last thing I wanted was another cliché time travelling bad guy.

Re: "Star Trek: Countdown" (movie prequel comic) - spoilers

Posted: 2009-04-11 06:12am
by Gandalf
I read Countdown 4.

I didn't see Worf's death coming. Though more interestingly, both Spock and Nero seem to have gone back in time accidentally. So Nero may be motivated by the loss of his family, people, and finally just falling out of his time. It's better than the usual "Me hate humanity" thing.

I'm optimistic for the film, though the comic feels a little wasted.

Re: "Star Trek: Countdown" (movie prequel comic) - spoilers

Posted: 2009-04-11 06:13am
by Bounty
Worf isn't dead, I think. What's left of him got sent back and it still had a bit of a pulse.

Re: "Star Trek: Countdown" (movie prequel comic) - spoilers

Posted: 2009-04-11 06:20am
by Gandalf
Good point, for some reason I completely missed that development.

A pity too, because that would have been a decent resolution for Trek's most prolific character. The idea of the last act in "old canon" being his death would have a neat symbolism.

Re: "Star Trek: Countdown" (movie prequel comic) - spoilers

Posted: 2009-04-11 01:13pm
by ray245
DaveJB wrote:Sounds like it beats the alternative - Nero deliberately going back in time to fuck up Federation history would likely have felt like a copy of First Contact's plot.
Also, it kinda gives more emotional weight to the villain, who revenge was snatched away from him, turning him even more insane and desperate.

Re: "Star Trek: Countdown" (movie prequel comic) - spoilers

Posted: 2009-04-14 02:10am
by JME2
Gandalf wrote:A pity too, because that would have been a decent resolution for Trek's most prolific character. The idea of the last act in "old canon" being his death would have a neat symbolism.
Yeah.

Anyway, this whole thing has been something of a disappointment and a letdown as our final look at the TNG era. Again, this is Abrams' own fault for not mapping out Nero's backstory and leaving it to other writers to come up with a story to connect A to B. So, we'll just have to see how Point B picks it up in a few weeks.

Re: "Star Trek: Countdown" (movie prequel comic) - spoilers

Posted: 2009-04-14 03:41am
by Bounty
And they got off to such a good start in #1. If only the writers had kept up that standard throughout the run this could have been an excellent prequel; instead it's generic. The wasted potential is what grates most.

Re: "Star Trek: Countdown" (movie prequel comic) - spoilers

Posted: 2009-04-14 06:15pm
by Darwin
Bounty wrote:And they got off to such a good start in #1.
what like how the star "converted the planet's (Hobus 1) mass into energy, increasing its own power" :roll:

I at least like the explanation for the tattoos of Nero and his crew. That confused the hell out of me in the previews.

Re: "Star Trek: Countdown" (movie prequel comic) - spoilers

Posted: 2009-04-14 06:51pm
by JME2
Darwin wrote:I at least like the explanation for the tattoos of Nero and his crew. That confused the hell out of me in the previews.
Yeah, especially as the statement that they were trying to model Nero and his crew after PoTC didn't go over well with a lot of people on SDN, IIRC.

Re: "Star Trek: Countdown" (movie prequel comic) - spoilers

Posted: 2009-05-10 11:20am
by Crayz9000
Jon wrote:Spoiler
So the last Countdown comic is out and it reveals that Nero's plan was just to go all out and attack Earth and Vulcan in the present, but Spock uses the special ship designed by La Forge to drop some red matter into the supernova, and he and the Narada are pulled into the singularity it creates and thrown back in time. I wonder if this will be shown in the film, rather than portraying Nero as intending to travel through time to execute his plan
Spoiler
That is explicitly shown in the film. Spock drops the red matter into the supernova to create a black hole that will contain it, but in the process he and Nero get sucked through. Nero comes out first, 25 years before Spock, and runs smack into the USS Kelvin -- and is so pissed that he just blasts it. He then sticks around, now that he realized what happens, and intercepts Spock 25 years later, when he comes through with the rest of the red matter. He maroons Spock on Delta Vega (apparently another planet in the same system as Vulcan) and destroys Vulcan while he watches, to "make him know how it feels". He then decides to destroy ever planet in the Federation, starting with Earth, to ensure that Romulus will not be destroyed the same way. Presumably this would involve going back and destroying the Hobus system's star to prevent it from going nova; we'll never know since both his ship and Spock's are destroyed at the end of the movie.
By the way, a minor spoiler: they didn't use the reset button at the end of the movie, like B&B would have done!
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