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How the hell does Spock manage to exert the level of control he does with those "jet boots"?
Both during the rockclimbing and the jailbrealk Spock also wears a funky belt. It's commonly accepted that this is an anti-grav device, and the boots are only there to provide thrust, not to keep you in place. He "steers" by tilting his body/legs.
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I liked First Contact, don't get me wrong, but there's no way I'd ever put it above Undiscovered Country. TUC and TWoK are neck-and-neck for my favorite Trek. TWoK because how can you beat two of Hollywood's biggest hams on the same movie? And TUC because it was just flawless.
I think TUC and FC are about equal in terms of quality - neither is flawless - but I just like FC better. It's got Cochrane, a truly frightening enemy, humour, great dialogue, and at least the Borg Queen isn't quoting the collective works of Shakespeare.

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StarshipTitanic wrote:Sounds like a quick fix to the continuity error. They could have just redubbed Sulu's log entry (which was done mostly during an exterior shot of the Excelsior) to mention this.
According the the Trivia section in ST VI's entry on the Internet Movie Database the film's producers realized the continuity error when filming was close to completion. It was too late to fix it so they just left it in, figuring that the fans would find a way to rationalize it.
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StarshipTitanic wrote:Sounds like a quick fix to the continuity error. They could have just redubbed Sulu's log entry (which was done mostly during an exterior shot of the Excelsior) to mention this.
According the the Trivia section in ST VI's entry on the Internet Movie Database the film's producers realized the continuity error when filming was close to completion. It was too late to fix it so they just left it in, figuring that the fans would find a way to rationalize it.
A redub of Sulu's log entry would not have delayed completion of the movie nor have run the production overbudget. That is simply sloppy filmmaking.

I think TUC's just gone down a few points on my scale.
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Durandal wrote:And TUC because it was just flawless.
I'll agree that TUC is a wonderful movie but I'm not sure I'd call it "flawless". Kirk's decision to beam over to the Klingon ship wasn't too bright and the assassination attempt on the Federation president made that Klingon into a really shitty marksman.
The fact that a Federation battlecruiser can fly unmolested right into Klingon space during a period of heightened border tensions by mumbling some broken Klingon bullshit to the Klingon equivalent of an overweight minimum-wage security guard is a much bigger plot hole.

Not to mention the fact that the Klingon BOP is confirmed to spew plasma exhaust but the Federation, despite its advanced sensor technology, can't pick this up without physical contact, hence the sniffer torpedo.

And then there's the fact that you can apparently refit a torpedo's guidance system and add a gas collection and analysis system by hand, in a minute or so, with a process that looks suspiciously like sticking in a new circuit board on a modern PC. And the procedure is done by a medical doctor, for fuck's sake.

Oh yes, there's also the fact that the location of the summit meeting is supposedly a secret, even though the meeting hall is filled with hundreds of representatives from various planetary nations. Imagine trying to set up a secret meeting of all the real world's heads of state in an unknown location while maintaining operational security. Utterly absurd. And to make things worse, they apparently relied solely on secrecy to protect all of these heads of state, as there appear to be no defending starships from either side in orbit.

What about the fact that Kirk reacted to the launching sound of the photon torpedoes that damaged Chang's cruiser, even though they were actually fired by the Bird of Prey hiding beneath their ship? Does the sound conduct so clearly through space now that it could actually be mistaken for their own launchers?

In that same vein, if the conspirators had such access that they could manipulate the computer records of the Enterprise-A, use its transporters without authorization, and turn one of the top-ranking officers, why couldn't they just fire the E-A's torpedoes for real, thus eliminating the need for this "cloaked Bird of Prey beneath the Enterprise firing the torpedoes and nobody noticing that the torps have the wrong trajectory while we alter the computer records to make it appear as if we fired them" nonsense?

There are plenty of holes in ST6; some of them are bad, and some of them are painfully bad. But the film works on a dramatic level anyway; I suppose that is a testament to its atmosphere and our affinity for the main characters.
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Patrick Degan wrote:That and you have the spectacle of Chang's helmsman visibly manoeuvering their ship with a steering wheel.
What's wrong with the idea of a manual helm? Sure, it's ludicrous for steering the ship between planets, but in a battle it's not a bad idea. It makes things a hell of a lot easier for the helmsman than having the Captain say "turn the ship X5,Y3,Z2" and having him enter commands into the computer by touchscreen like they do in TNG.
Darth Wong wrote:if the conspirators had such access that they could manipulate the computer records of the Enterprise-A, use its transporters without authorization, and turn one of the top-ranking officers, why couldn't they just fire the E-A's torpedoes for real, thus eliminating the need for this "cloaked Bird of Prey beneath the Enterprise firing the torpedoes and nobody noticing that the torps have the wrong trajectory while we alter the computer records to make it appear as if we fired them" nonsense?
This same thing occurred to me while I was watching it. The only explanation I can think of is that the procedure for launching a torpedo is too complicated for two people alone to do it.
How many men do they need to load and launch a torpedo in a US Navy sub, as a basis for comparison?
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Patrick Degan wrote:That and you have the spectacle of Chang's helmsman visibly manoeuvering their ship with a steering wheel.
What's wrong with the idea of a manual helm? Sure, it's ludicrous for steering the ship between planets, but in a battle it's not a bad idea. It makes things a hell of a lot easier for the helmsman than having the Captain say "turn the ship X5,Y3,Z2" and having him enter commands into the computer by touchscreen like they do in TNG.
Are you seriously suggesting a mechanical linkage as a means of directing manoeuvering thrusters and main engines as opposed to buttons and switches?
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Patrick Degan wrote:That and you have the spectacle of Chang's helmsman visibly manoeuvering their ship with a steering wheel.
What's wrong with the idea of a manual helm? Sure, it's ludicrous for steering the ship between planets, but in a battle it's not a bad idea. It makes things a hell of a lot easier for the helmsman than having the Captain say "turn the ship X5,Y3,Z2" and having him enter commands into the computer by touchscreen like they do in TNG.
Are you seriously suggesting a mechanical linkage as a means of directing manoeuvering thrusters and main engines as opposed to buttons and switches?
I don't think so. But for rapid movements in battle, an instrument is going to have better reaction times.

That being said.. A steering wheel? These things move in three directions, you need a stick.
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Patrick Degan wrote:Are you seriously suggesting a mechanical linkage as a means of directing manoeuvering thrusters and main engines as opposed to buttons and switches?
Of course not. But what's wrong with tying the computer controls into a manual helm? At least for humans (and probably most other species I imagine) it's much faster and more intuitive than tapping commands into a keyboard.
Sir Nitram wrote:I don't think so. But for rapid movements in battle, an instrument is going to have better reaction times.That being said.. A steering wheel? These things move in three directions, you need a stick.
It probably works like the rudder on a commercial airplane: the pilot pulls it out when he wants to go up and pushes it in when he wants to go down (up and down presumably being defined relative to the BoP's arbitrary cieling and floor).
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Junghalli wrote:
Patrick Degan wrote:Are you seriously suggesting a mechanical linkage as a means of directing manoeuvering thrusters and main engines as opposed to buttons and switches?
Of course not. But what's wrong with tying the computer controls into a manual helm? At least for humans (and probably most other species I imagine) it's much faster and more intuitive than tapping commands into a keyboard.
The helm control on the original Enterprise had that feature; Sulu could override the course programme and direct the ship simply by the use of a bank of selector switches on his board. Even the E-D had manual piloting as we saw in "Booby Trap"; albeit it still depended on the touch-screen being active, which is a stupid design.
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Not to mention the fact that the Klingon BOP is confirmed to spew plasma exhaust but the Federation, despite its advanced sensor technology, can't pick this up without physical contact, hence the sniffer torpedo.

And then there's the fact that you can apparently refit a torpedo's guidance system and add a gas collection and analysis system by hand, in a minute or so, with a process that looks suspiciously like sticking in a new circuit board on a modern PC. And the procedure is done by a medical doctor, for fuck's sake.
Another one of those cases where you're left to wonder why it hadn't occured to Starfleet that there could be such a simple way to defeat cloaking devices in the first place? Why does all the real technological innovation result from spur of the moment inspiration....and then no one ever bothers to write it down so it can be used later?

Nonetheless ST:TUC was very entertaining, inspite of its flaws.

But there is no love to be had for ST:TFF. There really was nothing positive about it to counterbalance all of its stupidity. Now if Klaa had pulled an electric guitar out from behind his chair and started rocking out every so often....and with that heavy metal get up of his you just know he wanted to....I would have been willing to forgive some of it.
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Darth Wong wrote:ST5 might have redeemed its inability to emotionally grab the audience if it presented something truly spectacular when we finally get to see "God". But that was the biggest problem with the movie; all of that buildup and anticipation ... for a villain that would barely rate a regular TV episode. They beat him with a goddamned photon torpedo, for fuck's sake.
That was the big Gripe with me. The Movie just became anti-Climactic. Granted there were some considerable flaws in the plot. It worked for the most part. Personally, I would have liked to see them actually talk to God in a sort of comical take. (Like Dogma i.e. The Metatron)

Plus Jerry Goldsmith gave one of his best scores for the series, and the top one in the entire series.
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lPeregrine wrote:I think the biggest thing wrong with STV is that it was released while Star Trek was still good. Yeah, it's got its plot problems, and was average at best, but it's still better than the more recent stuff. It seems like most of the hatred for the movie was formed long before we really got to see what "bad Star Trek" looked like. Within the context of what we've seen now, STV doesn't even deserve mentioning.
Agreed. It came right Between two really good Star Trek Movies. It certainly was weakest compared to those two. Enter in the TNG films and I'd call STV a masterpiece. There, I said it! ALL TNG films do in fact suck.
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Agreed. It came right Between two really good Star Trek Movies. It certainly was weakest compared to those two. Enter in the TNG films and I'd call STV a masterpiece. There, I said it! ALL TNG films do in fact suck.
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Yes, First Contact and even Generations are teh SUxxoRS!

I wont argue with Nemesis and Insurrection though.
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THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:ST5 might have redeemed its inability to emotionally grab the audience if it presented something truly spectacular when we finally get to see "God". But that was the biggest problem with the movie; all of that buildup and anticipation ... for a villain that would barely rate a regular TV episode. They beat him with a goddamned photon torpedo, for fuck's sake.
That was the big Gripe with me. The Movie just became anti-Climactic. Granted there were some considerable flaws in the plot. It worked for the most part. Personally, I would have liked to see them actually talk to God in a sort of comical take. (Like Dogma i.e. The Metatron)
As bad as ST5 was, you gotta admit, McCoy's line of "you don't ask the almighty for his ID" was quite amusing.
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Noble Ire wrote:Yes, First Contact and even Generations are teh SUxxoRS!
Well, Generations has to be IMO the absolute worst Trek movie of all time. Compared to it Insurrection is passable and Nemesis is a masterpeice.
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Noble Ire wrote:Yes, First Contact and even Generations are teh SUxxoRS!
Well, Generations has to be IMO the absolute worst Trek movie of all time. Compared to it Insurrection is passable and Nemesis is a masterpeice.
What makes it so? I'm curious.
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Noble Ire wrote:Yes, First Contact and even Generations are teh SUxxoRS!
Well, Generations has to be IMO the absolute worst Trek movie of all time. Compared to it Insurrection is passable and Nemesis is a masterpeice.
What makes it so? I'm curious.
Generations offended in a number of ways. Biggest offense, I think, is the gaping plot hole that devours worlds: when Picard and Kirk are in the Nexus ribbon thingy they have the option to travel anywhere in time they want. So when and where do they go? Right back to the planet where Soran launches the rocket into the sun, only minutes before he launches it, putting everything on the line in the last minute hope that they'll be able to stop him from launching the rocket.

Stupid, stupid stupid!!!

Did I say stupid? Stupid! Picard could have gone back to the spacestation that was raided by Romulans and taken out Soran there. Kirk could have gone back to the Enterprise-B and made sure that Soran was sent back into the ribbon, then given Picard the chance to go save his family. But for the purpose of dramatic tension, and givng an excuse to trash the Enterprise-D and kill Kirk cheaply, they did the least imaginative thing possible.

Items of less offensiveness but still pretty damn lame:

Data gets an emotion chip: after years of character development, portraying Data's evolution from an unfeeling android to realizing his dream of having emotions, Generations tosses all that aside and gives him a convenient chip instead. No character development for you, Data, now your emotions are a gimmick to further muddy the plot and provide forced comic relief.

The "Next Tuesday" syndrome: The Enterprise-B is on its maiden voyage but is only barely functional because hardly anything is finished. And sure enough, when disaster strikes, it's the only ship close by and so once again Starfleet sends a half-functioning ship to save the day.

Continuity? We don't need no stinkin' continuity:
nevermind that in the ST:TNG episode where Scotty shows up on the Enterprise-D he indicates that when he disappeared Kirk was alive; the movie's writers deliberately ignored that when they decided to have Kirk get unstuck in time and have Scotty witness his apparent death. Screw continuity! We're making a movie!

And there's yet more. It was, overall, a crappy movie.
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Kenoshi wrote:
StarshipTitanic wrote:
Junghalli wrote: Well, Generations has to be IMO the absolute worst Trek movie of all time. Compared to it Insurrection is passable and Nemesis is a masterpeice.
What makes it so? I'm curious.
Generations offended in a number of ways. Biggest offense, I think, is the gaping plot hole that devours worlds: when Picard and Kirk are in the Nexus ribbon thingy they have the option to travel anywhere in time they want. So when and where do they go? Right back to the planet where Soran launches the rocket into the sun, only minutes before he launches it, putting everything on the line in the last minute hope that they'll be able to stop him from launching the rocket.

Stupid, stupid stupid!!!

Did I say stupid? Stupid! Picard could have gone back to the spacestation that was raided by Romulans and taken out Soran there. Kirk could have gone back to the Enterprise-B and made sure that Soran was sent back into the ribbon, then given Picard the chance to go save his family. But for the purpose of dramatic tension, and givng an excuse to trash the Enterprise-D and kill Kirk cheaply, they did the least imaginative thing possible.

Items of less offensiveness but still pretty damn lame:

Data gets an emotion chip: after years of character development, portraying Data's evolution from an unfeeling android to realizing his dream of having emotions, Generations tosses all that aside and gives him a convenient chip instead. No character development for you, Data, now your emotions are a gimmick to further muddy the plot and provide forced comic relief.

The "Next Tuesday" syndrome: The Enterprise-B is on its maiden voyage but is only barely functional because hardly anything is finished. And sure enough, when disaster strikes, it's the only ship close by and so once again Starfleet sends a half-functioning ship to save the day.

Continuity? We don't need no stinkin' continuity:
nevermind that in the ST:TNG episode where Scotty shows up on the Enterprise-D he indicates that when he disappeared Kirk was alive; the movie's writers deliberately ignored that when they decided to have Kirk get unstuck in time and have Scotty witness his apparent death. Screw continuity! We're making a movie!

And there's yet more. It was, overall, a crappy movie.
Agree with all of them, but I can't believe you left out the Ent-D being destroyed by a fucking scout ship. Letting Geordi wander around the ship, much less go back to his job, right after being captured by the enemy was a monumental, your-ass-is-court-marshalled kind of mistake.

Oh, and Generations gave us the moronic "Our weapons are unstoppable if we know your shield frequency" brainbug. Unless that showed up one of the series? I can't recall it in TNG, but I haven't seen very much DS9.
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Generations offended in a number of ways. Biggest offense, I think, is the gaping plot hole that devours worlds: when Picard and Kirk are in the Nexus ribbon thingy they have the option to travel anywhere in time they want. So when and where do they go? Right back to the planet where Soran launches the rocket into the sun, only minutes before he launches it, putting everything on the line in the last minute hope that they'll be able to stop him from launching the rocket.

Stupid, stupid stupid!!!

Did I say stupid? Stupid! Picard could have gone back to the spacestation that was raided by Romulans and taken out Soran there. Kirk could have gone back to the Enterprise-B and made sure that Soran was sent back into the ribbon, then given Picard the chance to go save his family. But for the purpose of dramatic tension, and givng an excuse to trash the Enterprise-D and kill Kirk cheaply, they did the least imaginative thing possible.
Yes, that was stupid.
Data gets an emotion chip: after years of character development, portraying Data's evolution from an unfeeling android to realizing his dream of having emotions, Generations tosses all that aside and gives him a convenient chip instead. No character development for you, Data, now your emotions are a gimmick to further muddy the plot and provide forced comic relief.
I think you missed the point of this entirely. Data's emotions become detremental to him in very short order, and he has to live through the guilt of loosing Geordi. Admittedly, that plot ended aburptly, but it was there none the less. Certainly, the obnoxious comic relief was there, but I can only recall it being really out of place once.
The "Next Tuesday" syndrome: The Enterprise-B is on its maiden voyage but is only barely functional because hardly anything is finished. And sure enough, when disaster strikes, it's the only ship close by and so once again Starfleet sends a half-functioning ship to save the day.
This is a flaw, but it is one that about half of the movies and dozens of the TV episodes share. Its no excuse, but to attack it for that is essentially saying that they all suck (which may or may not be your view.)
Continuity? We don't need no stinkin' continuity: nevermind that in the ST:TNG episode where Scotty shows up on the Enterprise-D he indicates that when he disappeared Kirk was alive; the movie's writers deliberately ignored that when they decided to have Kirk get unstuck in time and have Scotty witness his apparent death. Screw continuity! We're making a movie!
What a pointless complaint. That's like those people who were up in arms because Yoda wasent Obi-wans direct master in the PT. :roll:
Agree with all of them, but I can't believe you left out the Ent-D being destroyed by a fucking scout ship. Letting Geordi wander around the ship, much less go back to his job, right after being captured by the enemy was a monumental, your-ass-is-court-marshalled kind of mistake.

Oh, and Generations gave us the moronic "Our weapons are unstoppable if we know your shield frequency" brainbug. Unless that showed up one of the series? I can't recall it in TNG, but I haven't seen very much DS9.
I suppose I can't argue with the complaints here, although I'm sure the frequency thing showed up before this (the Borg, duh.)


Generations certainly wasent as good as say II, IV, or VI, but it wasent particularly bad either IMO. Hell of a lot better than Nemesis or V.
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Continuity? We don't need no stinkin' continuity: nevermind that in the ST:TNG episode where Scotty shows up on the Enterprise-D he indicates that when he disappeared Kirk was alive; the movie's writers deliberately ignored that when they decided to have Kirk get unstuck in time and have Scotty witness his apparent death. Screw continuity! We're making a movie!


What a pointless complaint. That's like those people who were up in arms because Yoda wasent Obi-wans direct master in the PT. :roll:
There's a slight difference between a piece of dialogue from someone known to lie or at the very least slant the truth and the death/life status of the biggest character in all of ST. Besides that, Obi-Wan's statement makes perfect sense in the context of the situation. Luke is barely conscious and Obi-Wan has a point to get across. He's not got going to go on about how Yoda trained him for a short while before he apprenticed under a single Master, etc. He's going to say "The Jedi Master who instructed me" because that's what he needs Luke to understand. As to Obi-Wan's line when he is speaking to Yoda on Dagobah, he can easily be referring to the period when Yoda did train him. That would likely be the time when he is most rambunctious and reckless. As he ages and learns, he would learn control and self-discipline.

Whereas Scotty, while admittedly having a history of bending the truth about work projects a la Relics, would have no reason to lie about whether Kirk is alive or dead. Lying, or at least slanting the truth, served Obi-Wan's purposes. It doesn't serve Scotty's in any way. The only possible explanation is long-term amnesia from being stuck in the Transporter for so long, but none of his skills or other memories seemed affected, so that explanation flops.
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There's a slight difference between a piece of dialogue from someone known to lie or at the very least slant the truth and the death/life status of the biggest character in all of ST. Besides that, Obi-Wan's statement makes perfect sense in the context of the situation. Luke is barely conscious and Obi-Wan has a point to get across. He's not got going to go on about how Yoda trained him for a short while before he apprenticed under a single Master, etc. He's going to say "The Jedi Master who instructed me" because that's what he needs Luke to understand. As to Obi-Wan's line when he is speaking to Yoda on Dagobah, he can easily be referring to the period when Yoda did train him. That would likely be the time when he is most rambunctious and reckless. As he ages and learns, he would learn control and self-discipline.

Whereas Scotty, while admittedly having a history of bending the truth about work projects a la Relics, would have no reason to lie about whether Kirk is alive or dead. Lying, or at least slanting the truth, served Obi-Wan's purposes. It doesn't serve Scotty's in any way. The only possible explanation is long-term amnesia from being stuck in the Transporter for so long, but none of his skills or other memories seemed affected, so that explanation flops.
I believe you missed the point of my post. In both cases (I fully understand the reigning theory behind Obi-wan's statement) the dialog can be easily interprited and rationalized. I dont recall Scotty getting off the transporter pad and saying "Hey guys, KIrk was alive when I focred myself into that transporter." His statement was only a vague comment (I dont recall him mentioning Kirk at all actually, although I may be mistaken.)
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Noble Ire wrote:
There's a slight difference between a piece of dialogue from someone known to lie or at the very least slant the truth and the death/life status of the biggest character in all of ST. Besides that, Obi-Wan's statement makes perfect sense in the context of the situation. Luke is barely conscious and Obi-Wan has a point to get across. He's not got going to go on about how Yoda trained him for a short while before he apprenticed under a single Master, etc. He's going to say "The Jedi Master who instructed me" because that's what he needs Luke to understand. As to Obi-Wan's line when he is speaking to Yoda on Dagobah, he can easily be referring to the period when Yoda did train him. That would likely be the time when he is most rambunctious and reckless. As he ages and learns, he would learn control and self-discipline.

Whereas Scotty, while admittedly having a history of bending the truth about work projects a la Relics, would have no reason to lie about whether Kirk is alive or dead. Lying, or at least slanting the truth, served Obi-Wan's purposes. It doesn't serve Scotty's in any way. The only possible explanation is long-term amnesia from being stuck in the Transporter for so long, but none of his skills or other memories seemed affected, so that explanation flops.
I believe you missed the point of my post. In both cases (I fully understand the reigning theory behind Obi-wan's statement) the dialog can be easily interprited and rationalized. I dont recall Scotty getting off the transporter pad and saying "Hey guys, KIrk was alive when I focred myself into that transporter." His statement was only a vague comment (I dont recall him mentioning Kirk at all actually, although I may be mistaken.)
If I misread it, my bad. As to what Kirk said, it's been awhile since I've seen the episode, but IIRC he was wondering what Kirk was up to in Starfleet.
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If I misread it, my bad. As to what Kirk said, it's been awhile since I've seen the episode, but IIRC he was wondering what Kirk was up to in Starfleet.
RIKER
I'm Commander William Riker from
the starship Enterprise.

Scott's weary face lights up at this and he breaks into
a wide smile.

SCOTT
The Enterprise... I shoulda known.
And I'll bet it was Jim Kirk
himself who hauled the old girl
out of mothballs to come looking
for me.
(shakes his hand)
Captain Montgomery Scott. How
long have I been missing?
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Bounty wrote:
If I misread it, my bad. As to what Kirk said, it's been awhile since I've seen the episode, but IIRC he was wondering what Kirk was up to in Starfleet.
RIKER
I'm Commander William Riker from
the starship Enterprise.

Scott's weary face lights up at this and he breaks into
a wide smile.

SCOTT
The Enterprise... I shoulda known.
And I'll bet it was Jim Kirk
himself who hauled the old girl
out of mothballs to come looking
for me.
(shakes his hand)
Captain Montgomery Scott. How
long have I been missing?

Not much ambiguity there. Ok, so my original point was on the mark. He clearly thought Kirk was alive and well, which is contradicted by Generations. I don't see a way to rationalize the two. :(
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Not much ambiguity there. Ok, so my original point was on the mark. He clearly thought Kirk was alive and well, which is contradicted by Generations. I don't see a way to rationalize the two.
Simple...

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RIKER
(shocked, off console)
It's completely intact (Scott's pattern)... less
than point zero zero three
percent signal degradation. How
is that possible?

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That 0.003% degradation was his memory of the events of Generations

:D

(or he was just a bit confused after a century stuck in a transporter loop)
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