Wait a minute (re: Nemesis)...

Metrion Cascade · Post by **Metrion Cascade** » 2004-06-12 05:50am

evilcat4000 wrote:It is interesting to note that the Scimitars shields offer very little kinetic energy protection. Despite being at 70% strength the Scimitars shields failed to stop the Enterprise from hitting the hull.

They stopped torpedoes fine - there were NO hull breaches on the Scimitar.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-06-12 06:41am

The Scimatars shields failed to stop a large object such as the Sovereign class Enterprise. Similarly the Oddesy's shields did not stop the Jemhader attack ship that rammed her. The most interesting thing is the shields did not even attempt to stop a ship - ie flare up and try to block an incoming starship. It may be possible that Trek shields dont work against objects above certain size.

Metrion Cascade · Post by **Metrion Cascade** » 2004-06-12 07:19am

evilcat4000 wrote:The Scimatars shields failed to stop a large object such as the Sovereign class Enterprise. Similarly the Oddesy's shields did not stop the Jemhader attack ship that rammed her. The most interesting thing is the shields did not even attempt to stop a ship - ie flare up and try to block an incoming starship. It may be possible that Trek shields dont work against objects above certain size.

At the time the Jem'Hadar could walk through Fed shields. Trek shields don't stop an object dependent on size (and even if they didn't they'd flare up as they collapsed.) The Scimitar's forward shields had simply taken a beating.

Drach · Post by **Drach** » 2004-06-12 11:05pm

evilcat4000 wrote:The Scimatars shields failed to stop a large object such as the Sovereign class Enterprise. Similarly the Oddesy's shields did not stop the Jemhader attack ship that rammed her. The most interesting thing is the shields did not even attempt to stop a ship - ie flare up and try to block an incoming starship. It may be possible that Trek shields dont work against objects above certain size.

Just more writer inconsistancy. Watch TNG: Relics and you'll see what I mean

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-06-12 11:09pm

Metrion Cascade wrote:
evilcat4000 wrote:The Scimatars shields failed to stop a large object such as the Sovereign class Enterprise. Similarly the Oddesy's shields did not stop the Jemhader attack ship that rammed her. The most interesting thing is the shields did not even attempt to stop a ship - ie flare up and try to block an incoming starship. It may be possible that Trek shields dont work against objects above certain size.
At the time the Jem'Hadar could walk through Fed shields. Trek shields don't stop an object dependent on size (and even if they didn't they'd flare up as they collapsed.) The Scimitar's forward shields had simply taken a beating.

Thanks to their polaron-based weaponry; the Defiant was able to take more punishment given its ablative armor. It was until the Feds captured a Jemmie fighter in The Ship that they were able to study the weapons tech first hand an develop countermeasures just in time for the start of the war (hence Weyoun's surprise in Call to Arms on the Fed shields holding).

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-06-12 11:11pm

There is something very strange about ship ramming in Trek. We know that the shields can hold off against kinetic attacks. We also know that the ships have fairly good endurance because of multiple examples of ships hitting planets. And yet the shields never stop ramming of ships of relative size and the ships crush against eachother under less force then they see when hitting planets. This tells me something else is happening here.

Metrion Cascade · Post by **Metrion Cascade** » 2004-06-12 11:16pm

Drach wrote:
evilcat4000 wrote:The Scimatars shields failed to stop a large object such as the Sovereign class Enterprise. Similarly the Oddesy's shields did not stop the Jemhader attack ship that rammed her. The most interesting thing is the shields did not even attempt to stop a ship - ie flare up and try to block an incoming starship. It may be possible that Trek shields dont work against objects above certain size.
Just more writer inconsistancy. Watch TNG: Relics and you'll see what I mean

True, but writer inconsistency isn't a canon-friendly explanation for the events, since the writers don't actually exist in the Trek universe.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-06-13 01:52am

It must be noted that the shields do stop smaller spacecraft such as shuttles and fighters. In Voyger episode "Maneuvers" the Kazon fighter was unable to penetrate Voyger shields and dock with the hull untill Seska devised a measure to fly through the shields.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-06-13 01:53am

evilcat4000 wrote:It must be noted that the shields do stop smaller spacecraft such as shuttles and fighters. In Voyger episode "Maneuvers" the Kazon fighter was unable to penetrate Voyger shields and dock with the hull untill Seska devised a measure to fly through the shields.

Yeah - seduce the writers to make her life easier.