Last scene from Enterprise season finale !?!(Spoilers)

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-05-27 12:21pm

Wired_Grenadier wrote:What's the season finale's name?

Zero Hour - one of the only good things about the episode after the Spacee Nazi.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-05-27 12:25pm

Stravo wrote:"Young fools, only now at the Season Finale do you realize how awful B&B are. Your feeble faith in Trek is no match for the power of the mediocrity. You have paid the price for your lack of vision. Now...young fanboy...you will cry."

LOL!!!

I remember saying a while ago that eventually B&B would downplay ST technology so much that we'd see WW2 fighters strafing the Enterprise....and damaging it. Well, my friends I fear that day is almost here.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-05-27 12:41pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Stravo wrote:"Young fools, only now at the Season Finale do you realize how awful B&B are. Your feeble faith in Trek is no match for the power of the mediocrity. You have paid the price for your lack of vision. Now...young fanboy...you will cry."
LOL!!!

I remember saying a while ago that eventually B&B would downplay ST technology so much that we'd see WW2 fighters strafing the Enterprise....and damaging it. Well, my friends I fear that day is almost here.

Let them downplay it. Makes it much easier to squish them when compared to other s-f universers.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-05-27 12:43pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Yeah, basically, there would be currently no way for Archer and company to run into Kirk and company.

...

Unless you consider this act of either desperation or idiocy:

http://www.trektoday.com/news/230504_01.shtml

A story idea that could see William Shatner (James T. Kirk) appear in Enterprise's fourth season is currently in the works, executive producer Rick Berman said recently.

"We have had discussions in the last week, when we were talking with the studio about areas and directions we would like to go in next season, and there were two different ideas that we think could be developed into a good vehicle for Bill," Berman told Ian Spelling in issue 115 of Star Trek Magazine (via Sci-Fi Pulse). "And hopefully we're going to pursue one of them for next season."

Rumours of Shatner making a guest appearance on Enterprise have been circulating for the past season. In September, the James Kirk actor said Rick Berman had approached him to play Kirk's grandfather on Enterprise (story). Then, earlier this year, Shatner revealed he had "written a scenario, that I could conceivably come back for a show or two".

In his Star Trek Magazine interview, Berman acknowledged that Shatner has a lot on his plate at the moment. "Bill is busy doing The Practice right now, and he's going to be doing the spin-off next season." The actor will play Denny Crane in The Practice: Fleet Street, which will air 10:00 p.m. Sundays on ABC from this fall.

Wired_Grenadier · Post by **Wired_Grenadier** » 2004-05-27 01:49pm

acesand8s wrote:I seem to remember that either Berman or Braga has a website with a message board. Does anyone know where it is? I have an urge to...discuss...the finale there.

If you feel like making an appearance on a board full of people who jack off just by thinking of Braga, go there... http://www.brannonbraga.com/message_board.htm

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2004-05-27 01:57pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Stravo wrote:"Young fools, only now at the Season Finale do you realize how awful B&B are. Your feeble faith in Trek is no match for the power of the mediocrity. You have paid the price for your lack of vision. Now...young fanboy...you will cry."
LOL!!!

I remember saying a while ago that eventually B&B would downplay ST technology so much that we'd see WW2 fighters strafing the Enterprise....and damaging it. Well, my friends I fear that day is almost here.

They were strafing the shuttlepod. And NOT damaging it. A direct hit on the forward viewport didn't even scratch the glass.

hewhocaves · Post by **hewhocaves** » 2004-05-27 03:11pm

heh.. dipshit Braga has absosmurfly no posts on his 'discussion' board since before "Zero Hour" aired. Talk about a trumped up fit of Lucasism.

Getting back to people that drop turds where they eat (i.e. Zero Hour)

The episode was mainly good. It couldn't help but be anticlimactic. We all know earth was going to get saved, we all know the regulars were going to make it. There was a lot of the sense of 'just pitching the last of hte 9th' to get to next season. The real excitement came weeks before, but even now the damaged enterprise look is starting to get old. I was getting more excited by seeing the Andorians do what needed to be done than anything else.

Where the heck is the Earth fleet? I'm not talking about the warp 5 columbia or anything like that. Where are the system patrol craft, the orbiting defense stations. You've had a year to build and all you can show for it is an orbiting science station. I'm sorry Mr. Prefect, but we're going to have to remove 'mostly' from your entry on the Earth.

I was seriously looking forward to a nice, quiet start to season 4 like we had after the "Best of Both Worlds". T&A (er.. B&B) apparantly couldn't bear to be apart from their magic 8-ball of crappy plots for even a second. They have no clue about the real world. I hope Paramount clues them in real quick by firing their lousy, stinking arses and depositing them somewhere in the south pacific. If they go quietly, we'll even make it on an island. Or to make the analogy another way... there is no other way.. B&B have to go a heckuva lot farther to even begin to get this viewer's trust back that they can write their way out of this mess.

Oh, and regarding my first poist (2150 - 127 = 194x), I admit to not being able to do basic math. B&B should do the same. The reference, if anyone was interested was to E^2 and that time jump back. Heh... maybe Enterprise should stick around and tell themselves not to bother.

Admiral_K · Post by **Admiral_K** » 2004-05-27 07:09pm

Well, If you look at how most Trek finales ended, they usually would end on a cliff hanger like this where part 1 is the season finale, and part 2 is the season premeire. Sort of annoying, but they could write this into a good episode and tie up the loose ends. If I were writing it, I'd include a bit where Daniels was able to save Archer, but had to deposit him in the 1930s for some reason. Since he likely would be prevented from directly helping archer, he arranges for the Enterprise to be transported back just after it is dropped off by the Aquatic's ship.

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2004-05-27 08:11pm

Keeping in mind that I haven't seen the episode yet, but will see it later this weekend....

Even if Danials sent Archer back to save his life, and Enterprise back to save him, which seems overly complicated and stupid to me already (surprised? No) why the hell do we have SPACE NAZIS? What could possibly cause space Nazis to be in the past when Archer was flung back by Daniels? Just how far in their ass cracks do they have to reach for this stuff anyway?

And as I said, the whole Danials idea doesn't even make sense from the beginning. If he's able to pick up and move people to different places and times so easily, he should have saved himself the trouble and simply transported Archer back to the Enterprise a bit in the future (horrible plot device, yes, but it would make more sense than this shit). Instead, he flung Archer in the past, then the Enterprise in the past, with a bunch of space nazis?

I'm almost afraid to see this episode.

I'd like to also point out the fact that there is 0 excuse for no one noticing that the Earth is a major fuckin different place in the past than in the future. No "scar" from the attack a year ago (and I should think there would still be one, as there's still scars from just from 9/11 still around today, and that was on a far smaller scale). Different cityscape, different communication waves, different everything. Why the hell did they take down a shuttlepod to what could have been verified with a simple scan from above after VISUALLY seeing the devestation of certain cities from orbit, or the lack of huge industrial centers lit up at night from the dark side of the planet? It takes more time to get their asses in a shuttlepod, launch it, and go down to check this all out than it does to run a very basic sweep which would have told them all they needed to know.

I can't honestly see how I'm supposed to give one shit about anything they do now. It would have been slightly better if they had used real human Nazis (not enough for me to still care, but still better) than Alien Space Nazis. Has B&B taken Enterprise to the level of not only rewriting Trek history, but rewriting real history too? If this is a parallel universe, then why would I even care what happens, it's not my Earth.

I hate time manipulation already (possibly because I've seen it done badly too many times, such as most of Star Trek), but B&B have really gone to new heights of idiocy with this one. Just when I think they can't amaze me any further with their butchering of Trek, they prove me wrong.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-05-27 08:24pm

paladin wrote:I think Star Trek: Enterprise has now become Star Trek: Quantum Leap.

Don't even compare Enterprise to the gem that was Quantum Leap. That show was fucking brilliant.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2004-05-27 08:26pm

For the record.

I would like to say Janeway.

Capitan. Katherine. Janeway.

When the Uss Voyager was thrown back in time to the 1990's by the 29th century Feds, it took Janeway about TEN SECONDS to size up the situation and determine that they were in the past, a couple more seconds for astrometric readings to pinpoint exactly when they were and a few more seconds after THAT to move them into an orbit where they would be hidden and the shields scattering any Radar signals.

If fucking JANEWAY can realise this and do this...Archer has no God Damn excuse.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-05-27 08:30pm

Matt Huang wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Stravo wrote:"Young fools, only now at the Season Finale do you realize how awful B&B are. Your feeble faith in Trek is no match for the power of the mediocrity. You have paid the price for your lack of vision. Now...young fanboy...you will cry."
LOL!!!

I remember saying a while ago that eventually B&B would downplay ST technology so much that we'd see WW2 fighters strafing the Enterprise....and damaging it. Well, my friends I fear that day is almost here.
They were strafing the shuttlepod. And NOT damaging it. A direct hit on the forward viewport didn't even scratch the glass.

It's only a matter of time....

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-05-27 08:31pm

Tribun wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Stravo wrote:"Young fools, only now at the Season Finale do you realize how awful B&B are. Your feeble faith in Trek is no match for the power of the mediocrity. You have paid the price for your lack of vision. Now...young fanboy...you will cry."
LOL!!!

I remember saying a while ago that eventually B&B would downplay ST technology so much that we'd see WW2 fighters strafing the Enterprise....and damaging it. Well, my friends I fear that day is almost here.
Let them downplay it. Makes it much easier to squish them when compared to other s-f universers.

I'm pro-ST I don't want them to downplay it!!

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2004-05-27 08:43pm

Chris OFarrell wrote:For the record.

I would like to say Janeway.

Capitan. Katherine. Janeway.

When the Uss Voyager was thrown back in time to the 1990's by the 29th century Feds, it took Janeway about TEN SECONDS to size up the situation and determine that they were in the past, a couple more seconds for astrometric readings to pinpoint exactly when they were and a few more seconds after THAT to move them into an orbit where they would be hidden and the shields scattering any Radar signals.

If fucking JANEWAY can realise this and do this...Archer has no God Damn excuse.

(B&B excuse on)
But Enterpirse was battered to bits, and it's such old technology that it didn't have Voyager's advanced sensors and nifty technology to see what the fucking human eye could see from low orbit. Plus, the deflector dish of doom was burnt out from whatever the hell they did to the spheres, so all the sensors didn't work. Or the time fluxuations made their sensors useless. Or...or...or maybe....
(B&B excuse off)

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-27 09:04pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:I'm pro-ST I don't want them to downplay it!!

Is this where I laugh maniacally?

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-05-27 09:24pm

SirNitram wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:I'm pro-ST I don't want them to downplay it!!
Is this where I laugh maniacally?

If you must.....but first I want you to know that trekkies are people.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-27 09:30pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:I'm pro-ST I don't want them to downplay it!!
Is this where I laugh maniacally?
If you must.....but first I want you to know that trekkies are people.

Of course you are! I don't cackle menacingly at animals or mere internet cretins, they aren't worth the effort. Now, a good cackling at people I've earned a grudging respect for, that's another story.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-05-27 09:39pm

SirNitram wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:
SirNitram wrote: Is this where I laugh maniacally?
If you must.....but first I want you to know that trekkies are people.
Of course you are! I don't cackle menacingly at animals or mere internet cretins, they aren't worth the effort. Now, a good cackling at people I've earned a grudging respect for, that's another story.

LOL then by all means, Nitram, cackle!

I remember when Kynes posted a video he made of ST misses and at the end he said something like "Christ, I swear the writers of Star Trek are actually Pro-SW." I thought that was hilarious.....

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-27 09:43pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:LOL then by all means, Nitram, cackle!

I remember when Kynes posted a video he made of ST misses and at the end he said something like "Christ, I swear the writers of Star Trek are actually Pro-SW." I thought that was hilarious.....

I felt that way through alot of Voyager and such, whenever the Borg were shown to be pathetic or Voyager fired a torp and it went off like a firecracker instead of a Tall Boy. Oh well. In a few months we see what recycled crap B&B are claiming is quality TV, and we mock them a bit more.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2004-05-28 02:08am

Aya wrote:It's possible that Daniels, in an attempt to save Archer just threw him to a random timeline, then sent Enterprise to retrieve him. Archer and co will probably decide to stay long enough to help the allies win WWII.

If they actually do that, and it turns out you're the one who gave them that idea... I will come to your house and I will cut you.[/Bob Ross, as seen on Family Guy]

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2004-05-28 02:13am

Admiral_K wrote:Well, If you look at how most Trek finales ended, they usually would end on a cliff hanger like this where part 1 is the season finale, and part 2 is the season premeire. Sort of annoying, but they could write this into a good episode and tie up the loose ends. If I were writing it, I'd include a bit where Daniels was able to save Archer, but had to deposit him in the 1930s for some reason. Since he likely would be prevented from directly helping archer, he arranges for the Enterprise to be transported back just after it is dropped off by the Aquatic's ship.

The problem is that this cliff hangs over a stagnant, fetid drainage ditch.

Admiral_K · Post by **Admiral_K** » 2004-05-28 09:39am

Ok, here is my hypothetical situation:

CaptJodan wrote:Keeping in mind that I haven't seen the episode yet, but will see it later this weekend....

Even if Danials sent Archer back to save his life, and Enterprise back to save him, which seems overly complicated and stupid to me already (surprised? No) why the hell do we have SPACE NAZIS? What could possibly cause space Nazis to be in the past when Archer was flung back by Daniels? Just how far in their ass cracks do they have to reach for this stuff anyway?

There was only one "space nazi" by that meaning an alien in a nazi uniform. The rest were your regular 1930's kind. It is possible the Space Nazi abduced archer in the first place. I could envision a scenario where he abducted him for some reason, and then Daniels sent Enterprise back to help him out.

And as I said, the whole Danials idea doesn't even make sense from the beginning. If he's able to pick up and move people to different places and times so easily, he should have saved himself the trouble and simply transported Archer back to the Enterprise a bit in the future (horrible plot device, yes, but it would make more sense than this shit). Instead, he flung Archer in the past, then the Enterprise in the past, with a bunch of space nazis?

Perhaps he is prevented by the higher ups, or perhaps because of some technobabular reason, he had to do the 1940s thing. He might not be involved at all. And again, only one space nazi. Rest are human.

I'm almost afraid to see this episode.

I'd like to also point out the fact that there is 0 excuse for no one noticing that the Earth is a major fuckin different place in the past than in the future. No "scar" from the attack a year ago (and I should think there would still be one, as there's still scars from just from 9/11 still around today, and that was on a far smaller scale). Different cityscape, different communication waves, different everything. Why the hell did they take down a shuttlepod to what could have been verified with a simple scan from above after VISUALLY seeing the devestation of certain cities from orbit, or the lack of huge industrial centers lit up at night from the dark side of the planet? It takes more time to get their asses in a shuttlepod, launch it, and go down to check this all out than it does to run a very basic sweep which would have told them all they needed to know.

They probably sent the shuttlepod rather than risking Enterprise should there be any danger. Perhaps their sensors were still damaged after their encounter with the sphere builders.

I can't honestly see how I'm supposed to give one shit about anything they do now. It would have been slightly better if they had used real human Nazis (not enough for me to still care, but still better) than Alien Space Nazis. Has B&B taken Enterprise to the level of not only rewriting Trek history, but rewriting real history too? If this is a parallel universe, then why would I even care what happens, it's not my Earth.

There was only one alien. The rest were all humans.

I hate time manipulation already (possibly because I've seen it done badly too many times, such as most of Star Trek), but B&B have really gone to new heights of idiocy with this one. Just when I think they can't amaze me any further with their butchering of Trek, they prove me wrong.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-05-28 10:04am

Isn't it obvious? According to B&B aliens were responsible for Nazism. Hitler, having one testicle, must have been some sort of human-alien hybrid. This is why you had all those groovy jets on the drawing board, because they were alien designs. BUT DON'T WORRY. America bought nukes from Quark, who travelled back in time because Nog forgot his thermal underwear. Make sense? Me neither.

I wonder if these bozos even consider that they contradicted themselves about first contact. Now it's no longer the Vulcans who were man's first alien contact, but space Nazis. Expect a cameo appearance of the Borg, who will assimilate the Swedish... just because.

Tell me again why this show received a 4th season go ahead? Because it's so GOOD! B&B are SUPER! And Star Trek is at the best it's ever been in YEARS, no no DECADES! Centuries? (I'm trying to use reverse-juju, seeings as good shows get shitcanned while bad shows get the green light)

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2004-05-28 11:38am

There was only one "space nazi" by that meaning an alien in a nazi uniform. The rest were your regular 1930's kind. It is possible the Space Nazi abduced archer in the first place. I could envision a scenario where he abducted him for some reason, and then Daniels sent Enterprise back to help him out.

Conceeded about the one space nazi, as I said, I haven't seen the ep yet, though I will on Sat when I plan to either throw things at the TV, or laugh histerically at it. I have yet to be able to determine my true reaction. And I can't see a motive where alien space nazi would want Archer there for any good reason, and I certainly can't see why he would want him there for any diabolical reason, IE, if space nazi wanted him dead, he was about to be dead anyway.

Wasn't there some kind of reference in the episode to how important Archer is to history? Is this how it's going to be, where Archer saves us all from WW2?

Perhaps he is prevented by the higher ups, or perhaps because of some technobabular reason, he had to do the 1940s thing. He might not be involved at all. And again, only one space nazi. Rest are human.

And all these reasons make the episode sound so much better.

They probably sent the shuttlepod rather than risking Enterprise should there be any danger. Perhaps their sensors were still damaged after their encounter with the sphere builders.

Don't buy it. Of course they wouldn't take Enterprise itself down to the planet, but looking out the window down at Paris or Germany or around the Japanese islands with their EYES would have been enough to see that things weren't quite what they seemed. The shuttlepod was an excuse to get shot at by P-51s, and that's the bottom line of it. Moreover, what's wrong with the shuttlepod's sensors? You're telling me that they have such a short limited range that they can't even see what's inside the planet before they get there? A basic scan of the enviorment doesn't show an increase in pollution? You're telling me the shuttlepod's sensors were out too, and that the only way they could detect that something was amiss is if P-51s tried to shoot them down? Talk about a dumbing down of Trek Technology.

And don't come telling me that they didn't need to scan because it was Earth, so nothing should be wrong. They were going down to the planet to investigate why they couldn't establish contact with HQ. They should be scanning for things out of the ordinary while they travel down, but BEFORE they actually get there if they don't want to "risk it", as you suggest.

ali-sama · Post by **ali-sama** » 2004-05-28 04:01pm

actually. They never went back in time. If you listen to the dialogue. The structures are there. They just are not getting any replies.
Hell they where going to land on the landing pad next to star fleet headquarters before they got strafed.