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Steve wrote:Okay, how about this? On the naval thing.

Ships up to 65,000T this game year, in 1929 you can go to 70,000T standard. If your ship is over 62,000T standard you have to add one quarter for extra trials time save for units laid at least six months after the first (lay any in Q2 and a ship laid in Q4 or afterward is exempt from the extra quarter). Once those first ships complete the extra trial time is erased.

We'll repeat the same standard with 70,000+T ships... if anyone's nuts enough to build one.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:

Steve wrote:Okay, how about this? On the naval thing.

Ships up to 65,000T this game year, in 1929 you can go to 70,000T standard. If your ship is over 62,000T standard you have to add one quarter for extra trials time save for units laid at least six months after the first (lay any in Q2 and a ship laid in Q4 or afterward is exempt from the extra quarter). Once those first ships complete the extra trial time is erased.

We'll repeat the same standard with 70,000+T ships... if anyone's nuts enough to build one.

If anyone is crazy enough to build a 9 gun 20.1"/45 battleship firing >4500lb shells...

Leviathan, Cascadian Superbattleship laid down 1930

Displacement:
68,369 t light; 72,557 t standard; 77,850 t normal; 82,084 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(967.97 ft / 955.00 ft) x 135.00 ft x (35.45 / 37.03 ft)
(295.04 m / 291.08 m) x 41.15 m x (10.81 / 11.29 m)

Armament:
9 - 20.00" / 508 mm 45.0 cal guns - 4,500.01lbs / 2,041.17kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1930 Model
3 x 3-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
1 raised mount - superfiring
20 - 5.00" / 127 mm 43.0 cal guns - 61.05lbs / 27.69kg shells, 550 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1930 Model
20 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
40 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 2.07lbs / 0.94kg shells, 150 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1930 Model
20 x 2 row twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
20 raised mounts
32 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm 70.0 cal guns - 0.56lbs / 0.25kg shells, 150 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1930 Model
8 x 4 row quad mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 41,822 lbs / 18,970 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 16.0" / 406 mm 450.00 ft / 137.16 m 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 72 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
3.00" / 76 mm 450.00 ft / 137.16 m 32.00 ft / 9.75 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 105.00 ft / 32.00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 21.0" / 533 mm 12.0" / 305 mm 19.0" / 483 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm - 2.00" / 51 mm
3rd: 0.25" / 6 mm - -
4th: 0.10" / 3 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 8.00" / 203 mm
Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm Quarter deck: 4.00" / 102 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 18.00" / 457 mm, Aft 6.00" / 152 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 4 shafts, 98,632 shp / 73,579 Kw = 24.45 kts
Range 10,000nm at 16.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 9,527 tons

Complement:
2,329 - 3,029

Cost:
£26.398 million / $105.593 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 6,824 tons, 8.8 %
- Guns: 6,824 tons, 8.8 %
Armour: 27,929 tons, 35.9 %
- Belts: 6,006 tons, 7.7 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1,598 tons, 2.1 %
- Armament: 6,977 tons, 9.0 %
- Armour Deck: 12,405 tons, 15.9 %
- Conning Towers: 943 tons, 1.2 %
Machinery: 2,989 tons, 3.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 30,527 tons, 39.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 9,482 tons, 12.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.1 %
- On freeboard deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
135,297 lbs / 61,370 Kg = 33.8 x 20.0 " / 508 mm shells or 25.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
Metacentric height 9.8 ft / 3.0 m
Roll period: 18.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.69
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.25

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.596 / 0.602
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.07 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.90 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 37 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 34.00 ft / 10.36 m, 27.50 ft / 8.38 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 27.50 ft / 8.38 m, 21.50 ft / 6.55 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 21.50 ft / 6.55 m, 21.50 ft / 6.55 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 21.50 ft / 6.55 m, 21.50 ft / 6.55 m
- Average freeboard: 24.12 ft / 7.35 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 70.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 175.9 %
Waterplane Area: 93,984 Square feet or 8,731 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 116 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 271 lbs/sq ft or 1,322 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.12
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

4 Scout Aircraft Included

Steve wrote:Hrm. Shit. Didn't consider that.

Would have to get back to you on that.

loomer wrote:Build up your population instead with mass-farm innovations, childbirth incentives, terrifying government projects involving fertility drugs in the water supply and shadowy agencies committing crimes against man, nature and God with their cloning vats.

You can use the same IBPs to do it for a long-run change and explain short-term change as immigration.

Lots and lots of immigration.

Thanas wrote:

Steve wrote:Hrm. Shit. Didn't consider that.

Would have to get back to you on that.

I think it should be allowed, if only to give smaller nations a change.

Steve wrote:Okay, how about this? On the naval thing.

Ships up to 65,000T this game year, in 1929 you can go to 70,000T standard. If your ship is over 62,000T standard you have to add one quarter for extra trials time save for units laid at least six months after the first (lay any in Q2 and a ship laid in Q4 or afterward is exempt from the extra quarter). Once those first ships complete the extra trial time is erased.

We'll repeat the same standard with 70,000+T ships... if anyone's nuts enough to build one.

Thanas wrote:

Steve wrote:Okay, how about this? On the naval thing.

Ships up to 65,000T this game year, in 1929 you can go to 70,000T standard. If your ship is over 62,000T standard you have to add one quarter for extra trials time save for units laid at least six months after the first (lay any in Q2 and a ship laid in Q4 or afterward is exempt from the extra quarter). Once those first ships complete the extra trial time is erased.

We'll repeat the same standard with 70,000+T ships... if anyone's nuts enough to build one.

Well, fine. Now I can design a completely new class.

Oh, and why 62000 as the cutoff point for extra trials? Anything over 60000 tons should get that extra trial treatment.

Steve wrote:It was meant to reflect eventual capability.

Oh well, another notch in the "Steve messed up the naval system" belt it seems.

Akhlut wrote:

loomer wrote:Build up your population instead with mass-farm innovations, childbirth incentives, terrifying government projects involving fertility drugs in the water supply and shadowy agencies committing crimes against man, nature and God with their cloning vats.

You can use the same IBPs to do it for a long-run change and explain short-term change as immigration.

Lots and lots of immigration.

Where do the manspiders fit into this scheme?

Steve wrote:Nominally it reflects a country lacks the workforce to be above a certain industrial threshold, but you do have a point there. As such I won't oppose people building more industry.

Thanas wrote:Beowulf, I thought we were not allowed to keep armored or motorized forces in reserve?

Thanas wrote:Lascaris, how can you start building four liners when every single one of your slipways is filled with capital ships? Liners still take slipways, even if they only cost a third of an equivalent tonnage Navy ship.