You vs. the Alpha Quadrant

[Cpt_Frank]

Most likely they would.
The Borg are the enemy of all sentient life.
And S-8472 has no reason to get involved with the Feds, Klingons, or anyone else's affairs.

[Captain Cyran]

If they destroy Kuat, Corida, and Coruscant at the same time, plus the Emperor dying would cause it to collapse.

You are still forgetting these tiny little things called planetary shields Shadow. I have looked at the pictures the Wong has provided on his site and Alderaan's planetary shield stopped just over 2/3's of the Death Star blast before the shields collapsed. Check the 1st and 3rd picture on the Alderaan page and you will see that I am correct in this. It is safe to assume that planets like Kuat would have shields at least equal to this and planets like Coruscant would have a shield far beyond the shield on Alderaan. Not to mention the defences around Coruscant. Bioships would get torn apart the moment they appeared near the area. Out of those three planets you mentioned they would eventually take out Carida, thats if they took out the planetary shield before an Imperial fleet arrived. Kuat and especially Coruscant they would be torn to shreds.

[Admiral Griffith]

i'm sorry, but who assumed that a S8472 planet-killing fleet could get into GE space in the first place? I thought it was decided that it would take them hundreds of years to get anywhere important. And then there's the Imperial Navy...

[Mr Bean]

I should stop posting here but I wanted to help prevent the wasting of everyones time

Shadow has it in his head 8472s Mighty Morphing Bio Ships can't be touched by anything, Can't be seen by anything and always win
Like Treckys who belive you can use the Picard Manuver to Warp Striff a ship over and over agian untill it blows up(Can't see it can't stop it can't kill it brainbug)

In his mind 8472 are the Supermen who can kill anything and nothing will move him from this point
If you read over the past 8 pages myself and others have smacked down every shread of evidance in favor of the Mighty-Morphing Bio Ships
Now he has fallen on logic Flaws inculding Strawmen and Burden of Proof(IE he makes wild speculation that Bio ships can read peoples mind and find out the corindates of all the planets nm I belive it was the SW RPG that stated and many books mention Cordinates in SWs are rougly 30-80 NUMBERs long, I'm sorry but how many of us know the GPS cordinates of our house?
No one?
Same idea, Read his mind but THEY DONT KNOW EITHER
Without a nav computer 100% of the time in EU (never came up in movies) the people are screwed beceuse, A. they don't know where the hell they are Cordinate wise and B they have idea what the Cordinates are of where they are going
EU Pretty muchs makes hits a soild point Navigation is 100% Computer based

Don't waste your time talking to the brick wall fokes his not gonna change his mind if you beat him over the head with a large blunt object and tattoed the evindance on the back of his hand

[Howedar]

I'll try it once too, you never know.


S8472 IS GONE!! GONE!! AS IN, NOT IN THE TREK GALAXY ANY MORE!! THEY LEFT!! ANY DAMAGE THEY DID TO THE TREK POWERS IS TOTALLY NULL AND VOID, BECAUSE 8472 WON'T DO JACK F***ING SHIT TO THE EMPIRE, BECAUSE THEY ARE GONE!!

[Shadow]

Btw, Species 8472 is a bunch of fucking cowards.
If they really dare to show op over a planet, the Imperial fleet there/the ground defenses will slaughter them.
And after that? They will retreat, because if you kill a few of them, they just go away crying.
They are not involved if the Empire destroys the Feds, the Klingons, or the Borg.
They won't make war for nothing.
Neither for conquering the Empire, nor rushing to the aid of the Federation.

A bio-ship eventually run into a bio-ship, and of course attack it. They won't realize S8472 is going to attack before their planet is destroyed.

Wouldn't species 8472 be glad that the Imps have gotten rid of those annoying Borg? I mean, the only reason they tried to infiltrate the Alpha Quadrant was because Voyager helped the Borg.

If the Empire is conquering the galaxy they will run into a bio-ship and attack it.

You are still forgetting these tiny little things called planetary shields Shadow. I have looked at the pictures the Wong has provided on his site and Alderaan's planetary shield stopped just over 2/3's of the Death Star blast before the shields collapsed. Check the 1st and 3rd picture on the Alderaan page and you will see that I am correct in this. It is safe to assume that planets like Kuat would have shields at least equal to this and planets like Coruscant would have a shield far beyond the shield on Alderaan. Not to mention the defences around Coruscant. Bioships would get torn apart the moment they appeared near the area. Out of those three planets you mentioned they would eventually take out Carida, thats if they took out the planetary shield before an Imperial fleet arrived. Kuat and especially Coruscant they would be torn to shreds.

Shields flash before they collapse. They won't know S8472 is going to attack before their planet is destroyed.

i'm sorry, but who assumed that a S8472 planet-killing fleet could get into GE space in the first place? I thought it was decided that it would take them hundreds of years to get anywhere important. And then there's the Imperial Navy...

They can get there through fluidic space instantly.

s are rougly 30-80 NUMBERs long, I'm sorry but how many of us know the GPS cordinates of our house?
No one?
Same idea, Read his mind but THEY DONT KNOW EITHER
Without a nav computer 100% of the time in EU (never came up in movies) the people are screwed beceuse, A. they don't know where the hell they are Cordinate wise and B they have idea what the Cordinates are of where they are going
EU Pretty muchs makes hits a soild point Navigation is 100% Computer based

That's why they get a map.

S8472 IS GONE!! GONE!! AS IN, NOT IN THE TREK GALAXY ANY MORE!! THEY LEFT!! ANY DAMAGE THEY DID TO THE TREK POWERS IS TOTALLY NULL AND VOID, BECAUSE 8472 WON'T DO JACK F***ING SHIT TO THE EMPIRE, BECAUSE THEY ARE GONE!!

They were still there in "Unimatrix Zero," and no ever said they left.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

They were still there in "Unimatrix Zero," and no ever said they left.

What are you talking about? They weren't in Unimatrix Zero! And yes they did say they left! After Voyager told them they weren't going to invade!




And of course, should 8472 like the Empire? Killing the Borg and all.

[Shadow]

What are you talking about? They weren't in Unimatrix Zero! And yes they did say they left! After Voyager told them they weren't going to invade!




And of course, should 8472 like the Empire? Killing the Borg and all.

1. They did not appear, but were mentioned twice.

Axum: It turns out I'm on a scout ship patrolling the border of fluidic space--on the other side of the galaxy.

Axum: There are things I can do where I am. I'll try to contact species 8472--see if I can persuade them to join the fight.
2. Find a quote that says they left. There are none, of course.
3. Already answered.

[CorSec]

A bio-ship eventually run into a bio-ship, and of course attack it. They won't realize S8472 is going to attack before their planet is destroyed.

So, you're saying in addition to their superior firepower they also have the new and improved ability to cloak their ships? Jam sensors? With what, raspberry jam?

[Oddity]

Phase 1: Chart the territory in question.

Send out support craft, shuttles and hyperdrive-equipped fighters to chart the Alpha Quadrants. As soon as we encounter a starfaring race, attempt to buy maps from them pretending to be traders (should work with species like the Ferengi and the Orions). If it fails, assemble a small strike force then attack, disable and board a ship. Then hack into the ship's computer and steal the maps. In the very unlikely event that we are unable to hack the computer, simply introduce the ship's officers to interrogation droids.

Allocated time: Six months.


Phase 2: Start a Klingon-Romulan War.

Approach the Klingon Empire and ask for a military alliance. This would be tricky with only 141 ships, but show them the SSD and perform an BDZ operation on some uninhabited and worthless planet to show what our ships is capable of. Purpose a joint attack on the Romulan Star Empire with the following conditions:

1) Abandon the alliance with the UPF (pretend to have a major grudge against both the Romulans and the Federation).
2) We get to keep 30% of conquered territory (it's not like we intend to let them keep the rest, so why not be generous?).

With the Klingon hatred for Romulans and with the word 'CONQUEST' spelled out in six-foot high letters in front of them, you can cook me in oil if they decline.

We will dedicate the Interdictors, the Carracks and the Victorys to this task. Try to drag the war out. Basically, destroy any Romulan counterattacks, and leave the rest to the Klingons. Under no circumstances must we allow the Klingons to discover the true speed of the hyperdrive.

Allocated time: Three months


Phase 3: Attack the United Federation of Planets.

As soon as the Klingons has broken of their alliance with the Federation and attacked the Romulans, attack outlying Federation colonies and outposts anticorewards (to the "south"). Destroy some, besiege others, but always allow them to broadcast distress calls. Try to make it look like a new Dominion War. Undoubtedly, the Federation will send the bulk of its Starfleet anticorewards to repulse the attack, a journey that will probably take them weeks.

When Federation ships start to arrive, gather all ships - including those fighting the Romulans. Tell the Klingons that the ships were called away for an emergency and that they will be back soon.

Now travel to Sol System and smash all ships and defensive installations in the area. Considering Starfleet could only mass 39 ships to stop a Borg cube, this will be an easy victory. Next do the same thing to eleven other starsystems; all of witch contain the homeworld of a long-time Federation members and \ or heavy supporters (such as the Vulcans). This should only take a few hours.

Now split your fleet into a dozen smaller task forces, and go to these twelve starsystems. All of them are to enter orbit around the homeworlds, except the one going to Sol System. That one is to perform a BDZ operation on Mars while broadcasting it live on all frequencies. Then threaten to do the same to Earth and the eleven other homeworlds unless the Federation surrenders within two days. Oh, and we will also destroy on major city on each of the homeworlds every hour until the government complies.

In all likelihood the Federation will surrender when faced with the prospect of total depopulation of twelve of its memberworlds.

Allocated time: Three weeks.


Phase 4: Consolidate gains.

Replace the President and the Federation Council with a puppet-government (like the nazis did in France during WWII). Replace Federation military leadership with our own, no Federation citizen should be allowed to have a rank higher than Captain. Seize control of education facilities like Starfleet Academy. Start propaganda broadcasts and recruiting programs. Propaganda should focus on that living under the Empire might not be so bad and that, to quote a certain species, resistance is futile.

Begin to refit military bases, supply depots, industrial facilities, starbases and shipyards to imperial standards. Also begin to upgrade Starfleet with turbolasers, hyperdrive, hypermatter reactor etc. Appoint new captains for Starfleet.

Proclaim all UFP territory to be part of the Galactic Empire. Use our new fleet to put down open rebellions within the (ex)Federation. If some members try to secede, prove them wrong.

Allocated time: The refitting of logistical and industrial facilities will probably take months, maybe as much as a year. The rest should be completed after two months.


Phase 5: Backstab.

Neither the Romulans nor the Klingons are very likely to surrender no matter what we do. Our only option seems to be to totally destroy their power base. Tell the Klingons that we are now back in the game and send all the imperial ships as well as a sizable portion of (ex)Starfleet to Romelus and Remus. BDZ the planets and then get medieval on the Romulans (full scale assaults, land invasions etc).

When the Romulan infrastructure is in ruins and their warfleet all but destroyed, it’s the Klingon’s turn. Once again exploit the superior speed of the hyperdrive. A sizable fleet travels to Q'onoS and (you guessed it) BDZ it. Now we must act quickly. While the Klingons speed home to stop us, split up our fleet and attack military bases, supply depots, shipyards, factories and important mining facilities with maximum force.

Without the ability to repair their ships or get supplies, not to mention build new ships, the Klingon fleet is doomed. Using hyperdrive, battles can be fought only when *we* wish. If the enemy forces are so numerous that victory can not be achieved without sustaining unacceptable casualties, simply hyperspace away and come back later with reinforcements.

When the Klingon Defensive Forces has been eliminated, order two thirds of Starfleet to patrol the newly acquired territory and eliminate rebellions and hunt down remaining Romulan and Klingon forces.

Allocated time: Two months.


Phase 6: Attack the Cardassian Union.

Send the imperial ships and the remaining one third of Starfleet to Cardassia. Destroy any defenses in the system, and then broadcast the effects of a BDZ operation on Romulus, Remus and Q'onoS. Use the same threat as we used against the Federation. I’d be very surprised if the do not surrender.

Allocated time: One week.


Phase 7: Consolidate new territory.

Perform the same actions as when we conquered the Federation (install puppet-government, upgrade their fleet etc). In addition begin intersettleing programs, mainly move Cardassians and Federation citizens to ex-Romulan and ex-Klingon space. Manufacture and send probots to uninhabited starsystems to find possible rebel bases.

Once our hold on these four powers are firm, an official imperial government has been established, industrial rebuilding and political reforms are underway; then we can begin a gradual expansion from conquered territory. Species like the Breen, Gorn and Tholians we will probably have to conquer, while others like the Ferengi may be peacefully incorporated (free markets!). Also begin to upgrade industrial capacity to military standards, with the goal of being capable of building imperial-grade ships.

Since they do not have planetary shields, it is possible to use a fleet of Stardestroyers the way one would use a Deathstar. Therefore we can make use of the Tarkin Doctrine.

When the wormhole opens again I present the Emperor with a galaxy where maybe as much as a half of it is already conquered and up to imperial standards. The aging Emperor officially names me his heir for expanding the Empire so vastly.

Service to the New Order! Glory to the Empire!

[Shadow]

So, you're saying in addition to their superior firepower they also have the new and improved ability to cloak their ships? Jam sensors? With what, raspberry jam?

They won't decide to attack an unknown species above their planet in the time it takes to fire.

[MagicHateBall]

They won't decide to attack an unknown species above their planet in the time it takes to fire.

Excuse me?
These are the Imperials we're talking about here. If unknown ships that answer no hails and appear to be charging weapons appear above a world, they aren't going to wait to be fired upon before blowing 8472's craft out of the sky. They're not *stupid*.

[Shadow]

Excuse me?
These are the Imperials we're talking about here. If unknown ships that answer no hails and appear to be charging weapons appear above a world, they aren't going to wait to be fired upon before blowing 8472's craft out of the sky. They're not *stupid*.

They will be sending their hail as they fire.

[CorSec]

They won't decide to attack an unknown species above their planet in the time it takes to fire.

Oh really? So, the automated platforms orbiting large, strategic planets such as Coruscant are just there to look pretty and make the citizens feel safe? The Empire under Palpatine is notoriously and rigorously xenophobic. An as yet unidentified fleet of spacecraft harboring unkonwn species would be considered hostile until proven otherwise. You seem to have confused the gentile 'negotions first' tactics of the Federation with the extremely prejudiced and militarized Empire.

[Howedar]

Excuse me?
These are the Imperials we're talking about here. If unknown ships that answer no hails and appear to be charging weapons appear above a world, they aren't going to wait to be fired upon before blowing 8472's craft out of the sky. They're not *stupid*.

They will be sending their hail as they fire.

Yes, even though the Empire sees the Mighty Morphin' Bio-Ships coming for several hours, they'd of course wait to threaten them until they were within weapons range.

[Shadow]

They won't decide to attack an unknown species above their planet in the time it takes to fire.

Oh really? So, the automated platforms orbiting large, strategic planets such as Coruscant are just there to look pretty and make the citizens feel safe? The Empire under Palpatine is notoriously and rigorously xenophobic. An as yet unidentified fleet of spacecraft harboring unkonwn species would be considered hostile until proven otherwise. You seem to have confused the gentile 'negotions first' tactics of the Federation with the extremely prejudiced and militarized Empire.

They won't respond fast enough. They only have a few seconds. The quantum singularity will destroy them and any of their weapons fire, anyway.

[John Clark]

Wouldn't species 8472 be glad that the Imps have gotten rid of those annoying Borg? I mean, the only reason they tried to infiltrate the Alpha Quadrant was because Voyager helped the Borg.

Actually, it was stated quite clearly in "Scorpion" that 8472 had decided to purge the galaxy of ALL LIFE. Are the Imperials alive?

[John Clark]

Next question:

It's been said in this forum over and over that the Imperials will go to the Ferengi for maps because the Ferengi are motivated by profit.

How do the Imperials know this? Once again, an example of SW fans giving the Imps credit for knowledge they DON'T HAVE.

[Howedar]

Drop a few people on any inhabited world, they will hear about the evil capitalist Ferengis in a matter of weeks.

[John Clark]

Drop a few people on any inhabited world, they will hear about the evil capitalist Ferengis in a matter of weeks.


Amazing! That's the most retarded thing I've heard from a Warsie yet!

Tell me something, Howedar... if you drop someone on an UNINHABITED WORLD, who are they going to hear about the Ferengi FROM?!

[John Clark]

Ohhh, inhabited, sorry, my bad. But, uh, aren't you kind of assuming that the people on this planet are just going to say, "Hey, wow, let's tell these militaristic assholes about the Ferengi!" -- assuming they don't, you know, kill the intruders first?

[Robert Treder]

Ohhh, inhabited, sorry, my bad. But, uh, aren't you kind of assuming that the people on this planet are just going to say, "Hey, wow, let's tell these militaristic assholes about the Ferengi!" -- assuming they don't, you know, kill the intruders first?

Now who's the militaristic asshole?

[John Clark]

Hmm. Guys in white PVC suits? Other guys with snotty British accents and snotty Imperial attitudes? I don't know, you think the locals would take them for Girl Scouts?

[Shadow]

Yes, even though the Empire sees the Mighty Morphin' Bio-Ships coming for several hours, they'd of course wait to threaten them until they were within weapons range.

No, they appear instantly. They don't travel for hours.

[Robert Treder]

Yeah, but my point was that you assumed that the (presumably) non-militaristically asshole-ish Feds would resort to destroying them, which, as it happens, is a pretty militaristically asshole-ish thing to do.