Which is the most dangerous Chaos God in WH40K?

[Lancer]

What are the admech? never heard of them before.

Also i thought that Space marines were the pinnacle of unchanging, you cant tell the difference between millenia old and decade old marines.
(except that ones being watched for heresy due to some heretical nonsense involving “ally’s” with foul Xeno’s).

[sorry about my flamish questions, i just want to learn for future reference)

AdMech are the machine cult.

And like I said, the Space Marines are relatively free from bureaucratic oversight, and typically have on the order of centuries of experience to draw upon. They also are forced to innovate in order to maintain their equipment.

[Lord Zentei]

Khorne has an unlimited power base. Every war, every hateful killing, whatever piece of violence that ends in death adds a skull to the skull throne of Khorne. He dosen't have to raise a finger or spend a second thinking about it to generate more power.

Whatever. Anybody here want to break out the Law of Logical Parsimony?

No limits fallacy. And as I pointed out, it's not how much you've got, it's how you use it. The question was who is the most dangerous, not who is the most powerful.

[Lord Zentei]

Slannesh.

None of the other three brough down the mighty eldar. Slannesh is insidious, it doesn't just kill, or manipulate, it owns (and I don't mean that in any pop culture way). When any of the other three subjugate a planet they leave their mark but Slannesh leaves a cult. New worshipper, new warriors, new power. A Bloodletter or Plaguebearer cannot convert you to it's master's cause, but a demonette can. And Tzeentch's 'cause' is so obscure most mortals couldn't aid it if they wanted to. Slannesh's ability to recruit so easily makes it the biggest threat.

Oh, Tzeentch is the master manipulator. People don't need to understand his plots or appreciate his ethos in order to play into his hands, unlike the others.

Think about it...a soul is turned to Khorne on a planet, what does he do by himslef? Organise a street gang and be extremely violent is about the limit of it. To Nurgle? Well people start dropping dead until he is discovered and purged. Nurgle just doesn't blend well. And Tzeentch? He'll likely never be noticed, he's also likely never achieve anything unless he's there for 'the moment' Tzeentch may have planned for in any number of lifetimes. Fact is Tzeentch worshippers are scrubs in his plan.

Ho ho ho.

Sublte by it's nature isn't strong and if there's anything we've learned it's that any plan can go wrong, especially with bloodcrazed psychos and random mass plagues popping up. But Slannesh...a soul turns to Slannesh and you have a cult forming. A cult that can seduce it's way into power, can seduce the power structure itself and even the Inquisitor or fleet sent to stop it.

Tzeentch's plans often involve his rivals playing into his hands. Think about it for a while. Tzeentch manipulates the other gods of Chaos into doing what he wants. Anyway, all this seduction business applies to Tzeentch also, and incidentally, Tzeentch's raw power is second only to that of Khorne.

Slannesh is the youngest and fastest growing of all the gods. Granted it's been a long time since I read any 40K fiction and things may have changed as they are want to do when a new writer gets in charge but that's the way I remember it.

"Maybe the most dangerous millennia hence" is not "most dangerous now".

And hi.

Hi.

There is also the fact that Gork and Mork cannot be destroyed, with their base of followers.

I'll have to disagree with you on that one...

[SirNitram]

There is also the fact that Gork and Mork cannot be destroyed, with their base of followers.

I'll have to disagree with you on that one...

The Orkz outnumber and outgun every other force in the galaxy. Short of the Great Ward, they're not gonna be wiped out.

Really. What was that quote of one of the Ork Gods waking up? He lazily bats away assaults from the Chaos Gods. I think the only thing that really got his attention was the Emperor. And this was when he was just stirring to consciousness.

[Brother-Captain Gaius]

There is also the fact that Gork and Mork cannot be destroyed, with their base of followers.

I'll have to disagree with you on that one...

Orks are the most populous race in the galaxy. And given their nature, unless you call down Exterminatus on every single planet they've ever touched, then hunt down every single space hulk they have chugging around, da Boyz will always be a threat.

[Black Admiral]

Khorne is one of the most dangerous, if only because shooting his followers (as Kuja suggested) merely feeds Khorne. As Tellos says in Crimson Tears, blood only flows one way, and that's to Khorne.

Death, be it that of one man, a million, or even a planet, empowers the Blood God. And it has to be said, an awful lot of the other Chaos Gods' actions cause death.

[Lord Zentei]

Orks are the most populous race in the galaxy. And given their nature, unless you call down Exterminatus on every single planet they've ever touched, then hunt down every single space hulk they have chugging around, da Boyz will always be a threat.

The Orkz outnumber and outgun every other force in the galaxy. Short of the Great Ward, they're not gonna be wiped out.

You don't need to destroy a race to kill one of their gods. And in terms of threat, the Ork gods are less than the Chaos gods as they are even less capable of getting their numerous followers to act in concert. Acting as a single force is simply not in the Orkoid nature. Raw power != threat, even if we grant that the Ork gods are more powerful than the Chaos gods.

Really. What was that quote of one of the Ork Gods waking up? He lazily bats away assaults from the Chaos Gods. I think the only thing that really got his attention was the Emperor. And this was when he was just stirring to consciousness.

This may have been back in the days of RT or second edition, yes? The Orkoid resistance to Chaos has been removed, so the Ork gods that protected them have been nerfed.

[Brother-Captain Gaius]

This may have been back in the days of RT or second edition, yes? The Orkoid resistance to Chaos has been removed, so the Ork gods that protected them have been nerfed.

Hm, since when? As far as I can tell, Khornite Orks are still extremely rare. And given the inclination for wanton violence (and goin' fasta) amongst Orks, if what you say is true than the vast majority of the Ork race would be following Khorne right now. It's clear that the Gork 'n' Mork/latent psychic energy that is Da Powa of da Waaagh! is still going strong.

[The Grim Squeaker]

So in raw power itz
Orkz (during massive WAAGH! )
Khorne
(Nurgle in an epidemic)
Tzeentech
(slannesh on a civilized\eldar planet)
average Nurgle. ?
Non Wagh orkiez
?
right ?
while in terms of the most dangerous it’s tzeentech, slannesh, khorne,Slannesh, orks nurgle?
(not counting the other gods in 40k)

[Guardsman Bass]

I think the scariest thing about Tzeentch is that everything that has happened in the WH40K verse- including the rise of the Emperor- could be merely some cog in an entirely inscrutable plan of his.

[Lord Zentei]

This may have been back in the days of RT or second edition, yes? The Orkoid resistance to Chaos has been removed, so the Ork gods that protected them have been nerfed.

Hm, since when? As far as I can tell, Khornite Orks are still extremely rare. And given the inclination for wanton violence (and goin' fasta) amongst Orks, if what you say is true than the vast majority of the Ork race would be following Khorne right now. It's clear that the Gork 'n' Mork/latent psychic energy that is Da Powa of da Waaagh! is still going strong.

Since the Daemonhunters Codex.

The wanton violence of the Orks still feeds Gork and Mork instead of Khorne, though. But they are certainly corruptible.

[Brother-Captain Gaius]

Since the Daemonhunters Codex.

The wanton violence of the Orks still feeds Gork and Mork instead of Khorne, though. But they are certainly corruptible.

Where?

[Brother-Captain Gaius]

Ghetto style: If you're referring to the picture of the Nurglite Orks, well, that's a picture.

[Lord Zentei]

Ghetto style: If you're referring to the picture of the Nurglite Orks, well, that's a picture.

The story hooks for "Daemonhunters would fight Orks because..."

Included in these are:

* The Ork boss is posessed. (This was impossible previously.)

* The Ork camp is built upon an ancient battlefield where Chaos was defeated. The battlefield retains evil echoes of that day and the naked agression of the Orks awakens that evil, resulting in Daemons and long-dead Chaos warriors reanimating. (Their agression does not just feed Gork and Mork anymore.)

* The Orks have discovered a huge pestilent, mosaic of Nurgle and, beleiving it to be Gork (or possibly Mork) have begun worshipping it. This has had the effect of raising deadly plagues in the surrounding worlds and the Daemonhunters have traced the cause to the Orks and must destroy them. Of course, Father Nurgle will lend his aid to his newest children... (The picture you refer to is not just a picture. Orks can become Nurgle infested, and Nurgle was the power they feared least previously.)

[Brother-Captain Gaius]

* The Ork boss is posessed. (This was impossible previously.)

Fair enough, though it should be noted that it wasn't impossible; rather, equally damaging for both parties.

* The Ork camp is built upon an ancient battlefield where Chaos was defeated. The battlefield retains evil echoes of that day and the naked agression of the Orks awakens that evil, resulting in Daemons and long-dead Chaos warriors reanimating. (Their agression does not just feed Gork and Mork anymore.)

So the psychic presence and aggression of sentient creatures stirred up some Chaos. Nothing new there.

* The Orks have discovered a huge pestilent, mosaic of Nurgle and, beleiving it to be Gork (or possibly Mork) have begun worshipping it. This has had the effect of raising deadly plagues in the surrounding worlds and the Daemonhunters have traced the cause to the Orks and must destroy them. Of course, Father Nurgle will lend his aid to his newest children... (The picture you refer to is not just a picture. Orks can become Nurgle infested, and Nurgle was the power they feared least previously.)

The picture proves little more than the existence of Nurglite Orks - not their susceptibility. We already knew that on rare occasions Orks can become corrupted.

And Orks, while extremely cunning, aren't terribly intellectual and as the passage stated they mistook Nurgle for Gork and Mork. That's simple Orkoid error which Nurgle was quick to capitalize on - again, no real indication that Orks are any more vulnerable than they used to be.

Furthermore, this is all high-level Ordo Malleus stuff and presented in that light. As it states earlier in the same Codex, the presence of Grey Knights is extremely rare and heralds an impending breach of Warpspace of apocalyptic proportions. Not exactly the average sampling of, well, anything, much less Orks.

[Lord Zentei]

* The Ork boss is posessed. (This was impossible previously.)

Fair enough, though it should be noted that it wasn't impossible; rather, equally damaging for both parties.

Previously, a daemon could not even control a snotling that it had possessed.

* The Ork camp is built upon an ancient battlefield where Chaos was defeated. The battlefield retains evil echoes of that day and the naked agression of the Orks awakens that evil, resulting in Daemons and long-dead Chaos warriors reanimating. (Their agression does not just feed Gork and Mork anymore.)

So the psychic presence and aggression of sentient creatures stirred up some Chaos. Nothing new there.

Not in the case of Orks, as their agression previously fed their own gods alone.

* The Orks have discovered a huge pestilent, mosaic of Nurgle and, beleiving it to be Gork (or possibly Mork) have begun worshipping it. This has had the effect of raising deadly plagues in the surrounding worlds and the Daemonhunters have traced the cause to the Orks and must destroy them. Of course, Father Nurgle will lend his aid to his newest children... (The picture you refer to is not just a picture. Orks can become Nurgle infested, and Nurgle was the power they feared least previously.)

The picture proves little more than the existence of Nurglite Orks - not their susceptibility. We already knew that on rare occasions Orks can become corrupted.[/quote]

Not by Nurgle, previously. And the picture illustrates the scenario in question. In any case, why do you think they chose to illustrate that particular scenario?

And Orks, while extremely cunning, aren't terribly intellectual and as the passage stated they mistook Nurgle for Gork and Mork. That's simple Orkoid error which Nurgle was quick to capitalize on - again, no real indication that Orks are any more vulnerable than they used to be.

They were not vunreable to Nurgle at all previously, due to their Orkiness. In any case it matters not why they are corrupted, what matters is that they are corruptible. The end result is what counts, and for the Nurgle-Orks, Gork and Mork have been shut out of their minds.

Furthermore, this is all high-level Ordo Malleus stuff and presented in that light. As it states earlier in the same Codex, the presence of Grey Knights is extremely rare and heralds an impending breach of Warpspace of apocalyptic proportions. Not exactly the average sampling of, well, anything, much less Orks.

True enough, I never claimed that the corruption of Orks by Chaos was nearly as common as that of, say, humans. Just that it wasn't an impossible scenario contrary to what was previously beleived.

Anyway my original point wasn't as much that Orks are corruptible, as that you don't need to wipe out the Orks in order to destroy Gork and Mork...

[Falkenhayn]

I think the scariest thing about Tzeentch is that everything that has happened in the WH40K verse- including the rise of the Emperor- could be merely some cog in an entirely inscrutable plan of his.

Not possible. The Emperor is older than Tzeentch. The Enlightenment or Renaissance heralded Tzeentch's awakening, at which time the Emperor was already some thousands of years old.

[weemadando]

Awakening, not creation... And where does that tit-bit of info come from?

[Junghalli]

I'll go with Tzeentch. He seems the subtlest and most intelligent of the lot.
One thing though. Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch were supposedly "born" on Earth. So how come we're not sitting in the middle of a giant warp rift yet? When Slaanesh awakened most of the Eldar species was killed off and the fabric of spacetime was fucked up over and area of thousands of light years. Humanity weathered the awakening of three Chaos Gods with nothing remotely like that happening. What's up with that?

[Imperial Overlord]

Awakening, not creation... And where does that tit-bit of info come from?

Realms of Chaos: The Lost and the Damned.

[Brother-Captain Gaius]

I'll go with Tzeentch. He seems the subtlest and most intelligent of the lot.
One thing though. Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch were supposedly "born" on Earth. So how come we're not sitting in the middle of a giant warp rift yet? When Slaanesh awakened most of the Eldar species was killed off and the fabric of spacetime was fucked up over and area of thousands of light years. Humanity weathered the awakening of three Chaos Gods with nothing remotely like that happening. What's up with that?

The Eldar didn't have a God-Emperor.

[The Grim Squeaker]

Also most of the Eldar species over a huge area were feeding baby slann’, as well as the fact that at that point the Eldars psychic potential still outstripped the monkeys.
In other words what causes a greater warp rift 100 villagers or one Alpha+ Psyker

[Lord Zentei]

I'll go with Tzeentch. He seems the subtlest and most intelligent of the lot.
One thing though. Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch were supposedly "born" on Earth. So how come we're not sitting in the middle of a giant warp rift yet? When Slaanesh awakened most of the Eldar species was killed off and the fabric of spacetime was fucked up over and area of thousands of light years. Humanity weathered the awakening of three Chaos Gods with nothing remotely like that happening. What's up with that?

The Eldar didn't have a God-Emperor.

They did have a whole pantheon of gods, though.

But Slaanesh was outrageously powerful when (s)he first awakened.

[The Grim Squeaker]

He had just eaten the majority of a very powerful, 75% psychic, Decadent Civilization.
"Burp, (picks teeth)"

[Xenophobe3691]

Well, talking about Slaanesh, when Eldar die, do they just get absorbed into Slaanesh? Sort of like a Borg Drone, a mindless cell in a much greater whole? Or is it much worse than that?