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Illuminatus Primus wrote:

pecker wrote:If would have probably been easier. But he didn't. Cause he wanted to look badass.

They tried to follow him. But they all banged their heads on the entrance to the hangar and fell off the side :p

Just proves what Wong said about the Jedi's retarded honorability and arrogance.[/quote]

True. Never go into a fight alone if you can go in with a unit of the galaxy's most bad-ass soldiers backing you up.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

pecker wrote:

neoolong wrote: If would have probably been easier. But he didn't. Cause he wanted to look badass.

They tried to follow him. But they all banged their heads on the entrance to the hangar and fell off the side :p

Just proves what Wong said about the Jedi's retarded honorability and arrogance.

...no.

It shows that George Lucas wanted to have a kick-ass lightsaber battle, and Yoda having back-up would have been detrimental to said battle.

Anyway, What good would CTs have done? They're just lightning fodder anyway.

"Bring me a ship" doesn't necessarily mean "Bring me a ship with a full squad of troopers." It's very possible he just went by himself in a ship that he flew that was brought to him. Hell it might not even have been a ship, coulda been a speeder. "Bring me a ship" is pretty much saying he wants fast transportation at hand.

Heh...not a contradiction, but more of a goof. Supposedly (I need to see for myself), when Luke lands his X-Wing after blowing up the Death Star and climbs down, he doesn't shout Leia's name when she runs to him. Instead, he says "Carrie!" Anyone got the original (not remastered, not sure about that one) ANH to read his lips on, since I think they dubbed it over?

OK, I'm going to try and give an unbiased explanation of this mishap.

In the first several drafts of STAR WARS, George Lucas had the time of the Republic's existance fluctuating between 1,000 and 100,000 years.

STAR WARS Rough Draft wrote:ROLLUP TEXT
Until the recent Great Rebellion, the Jedi Bendu were the most feared warriors in the universe. For one hundred thousand years, generations of Jedi perfected their art as the personal bodyguards of the emperor. They were the chief architects of the invincible Imperial Space Force which expanded the Empire across the galaxy, from the celestial equator to the farthest reaches of the Great Rift.

STAR WARS 1st Draft wrote:ROLLUP TEXT
Until the recent GREAT REBELLION, the DAI NOGAS were the most feared warriors in the universe. For one hundred thousand years, generations of DAI perfected their art as the personal bodyguards of the King. They were the chief architects of the invincible ROYAL SPACE FORCE, which expanded the King's power across the galaxy, from the celestial equator to the farthest stars.

STAR WARS 2nd Draft wrote:ROLLUP TEXT
Until the tragic Holy Rebellion of "06", the respected JEDI BENDU OF ASHLA were the most powerful warriors in the Universe. For a hundred thousand years, generations of Jedi Bendu knights learned the ways of the mysterious FORCE OF OTHERS, and acted as the guardians of peace and justice in the REPUBLIC. Now these legendary warriors are all but extinct. One by one they have been hunted down and destroyed by a ferocious rival sect of mercenary warriors: THE BLACK KNIGHIS OF THE SITH.

STAR WARS 3rd Draft wrote:ROLLUP TEXT
For over a thousand years, generations of Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy. Now these legendary warriors are all but extinct. One by one they have been hunted down and destroyed by the sinister agents of the Emperor: the Dark Lords Of The Sith.

STAR WARS 4th Draft (Final) wrote:BEN: An elegant weapon for a more civilized time. For over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times, before the Empire.

And, now, the contested quote:

Episode II wrote:PALPATINE
I will not like this Republic, that has stood for over a thousand years, be split in two.

As you can see, the only script treatment that agrees with Episode II is the third draft of A New Hope. I'm hoping that when Lucas goes for the Special Editions of the new trilogy he'll change it to /generations/ instead of /years/, but with him you never know.

The Dark wrote:Heh...not a contradiction, but more of a goof. Supposedly (I need to see for myself), when Luke lands his X-Wing after blowing up the Death Star and climbs down, he doesn't shout Leia's name when she runs to him. Instead, he says "Carrie!" Anyone got the original (not remastered, not sure about that one) ANH to read his lips on, since I think they dubbed it over?

I killed this one with one of my earliest posts, from 10 August:

Actually, Ben Burt (SW sound engineer) and his crew spent some time going over that during their work on Star Wars for the Special Edition. They listened to multiple takes of the line from source tapes (which should automatically dispel the rumor) and playing them to others.

Their conclusion (and the final say on the matter) is that Mark Hamil did indeed say "Hey!" and not "Carrie!".

Just wanted to clear this up.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:

The Dark wrote:Heh...not a contradiction, but more of a goof. Supposedly (I need to see for myself), when Luke lands his X-Wing after blowing up the Death Star and climbs down, he doesn't shout Leia's name when she runs to him. Instead, he says "Carrie!" Anyone got the original (not remastered, not sure about that one) ANH to read his lips on, since I think they dubbed it over?

I killed this one with one of my earliest posts, from 10 August:

Actually, Ben Burt (SW sound engineer) and his crew spent some time going over that during their work on Star Wars for the Special Edition. They listened to multiple takes of the line from source tapes (which should automatically dispel the rumor) and playing them to others.

Their conclusion (and the final say on the matter) is that Mark Hamil did indeed say "Hey!" and not "Carrie!".

Just wanted to clear this up.

Cool, thanks, wanted to ask here before I made a big fuss out of it in case it turned out to be an urban legend.

here's a major contradction. I just finished reading the Novel of ROTJ Ben says that "I took you to live with my BROTHER Owen Lars" can anyone tell me what that is about?

Darth Pounder wrote:here's a major contradction. I just finished reading the Novel of ROTJ Ben says that "I took you to live with my BROTHER Owen Lars" can anyone tell me what that is about?

Movies outweigh novels. It wasn't a major plotpoint, easily changed. And it's not a contradiction, really, since 99.999999999999999% of the people who see the movie have never even been to the Sci-fi section of the bookstore.

pecker wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

pecker wrote: They tried to follow him. But they all banged their heads on the entrance to the hangar and fell off the side :p

Just proves what Wong said about the Jedi's retarded honorability and arrogance.

...no.

It shows that George Lucas wanted to have a kick-ass lightsaber battle, and Yoda having back-up would have been detrimental to said battle.

Anyway, What good would CTs have done? They're just lightning fodder anyway.

Obviously. But you have to come up with an in-universe explanation so the continuity has some obidience to common sense. Literal nitpickers...sheesh.

pecker wrote:

Darth Pounder wrote:here's a major contradction. I just finished reading the Novel of ROTJ Ben says that "I took you to live with my BROTHER Owen Lars" can anyone tell me what that is about?

Movies outweigh novels. It wasn't a major plotpoint, easily changed. And it's not a contradiction, really, since 99.999999999999999% of the people who see the movie have never even been to the Sci-fi section of the bookstore.

Retconned. Empire Strikes Back novel says Yoda was purple. Live with it. It was written before the movie and Cerasi's quote allows for this.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:The Great Hyperspace War between the Sith Empire and the Republic was definitely full-scale. And it could be argued that the Sith War between Exar Kun's and Ulic Qel-Droma's factions and followers against the Republic was also a full-scale war. The last Sith war, the surviving Sith of which founded Palpatine's Order, was also full-scale and had been building up for nearly a millenia when total war broke out in the galaxy.

I would argue against that. Exar Kun and Ulic were running a terrorist organization/revolution. In a sense it is analogous to Al-Queda. Both were basically a number of agents sowing chaos using their enimies technology, and based out of a strong central location (Afganistan and the Empress Teta system). While there was a war against them, like the USA's current actions it wan not full scale.

For the Great Hyperspace War, I would argue the same thing: War yes, full scale no. Remember, they were beat back by sector defense forces.

Basically, by difference here is the term "full scale". I see full scale being a complete and total mobilization of a civilization towards the goal of defeating one another, which has not occured in the SW universe until the Clone Wars.

For a real world example, the Persian Gulf War was a war, but WW2 was the last "full scale" war.

Ender wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:The Great Hyperspace War between the Sith Empire and the Republic was definitely full-scale. And it could be argued that the Sith War between Exar Kun's and Ulic Qel-Droma's factions and followers against the Republic was also a full-scale war. The last Sith war, the surviving Sith of which founded Palpatine's Order, was also full-scale and had been building up for nearly a millenia when total war broke out in the galaxy.

I would argue against that. Exar Kun and Ulic were running a terrorist organization/revolution. In a sense it is analogous to Al-Queda. Both were basically a number of agents sowing chaos using their enimies technology, and based out of a strong central location (Afganistan and the Empress Teta system). While there was a war against them, like the USA's current actions it wan not full scale.

For the Great Hyperspace War, I would argue the same thing: War yes, full scale no. Remember, they were beat back by sector defense forces.

Basically, by difference here is the term "full scale". I see full scale being a complete and total mobilization of a civilization towards the goal of defeating one another, which has not occured in the SW universe until the Clone Wars.

For a real world example, the Persian Gulf War was a war, but WW2 was the last "full scale" war.

While I won't nitpick on the Great Hyperspace War, which was definitely full-scale, IMHO (two largest factions in the galaxy in outright war, one of them reaches and nearly takes the capital of the other before beaten back and destroyed), but that doesn't matter anyway because clearly the War with the Brotherhood that nearly destroyed the Jedi was destructive to the point where the Republic was reformed into a new regime. What's more, how was that Nubian guy to know how bad the war was going to be, I think that they were talking about a decleared war at all, not a "total war." The Military Creation Act hadn't even been passed, they were just debating the possibility of any armed conflict.