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kojikun wrote:You keep thinking that I'm insulting him. Seems to be a tendency around here to exxagerate one someone said and blow it way out or proportion.

*edit* allow me to rephrase that. I was expressing my shock at the fact that they needed someone dedicated to making those bland gray sets, i wasnt taking potshots. idiots.

If you're not "taking potshots," then that doesn't leave many options to explain your statements. Only one that readily comes to mind is that you seem intent on demonstrating how little you know or understand about how film and TV (and stage for that matter) is done.

It is a pretty elementary matter to understand that after the Word (script) comes the Scenics (art director), even if they're doing the whole thing on a limbo set.

And your description of the sets and setpieces (I gather you were NOT including the EXTERIOR of the ship in your post?) IS plain-out unflattering, so given that you don't seem to know anything about the subject, I'd call your opinion ... hmmm, let's not be too cruel -- howzabout -- WORTHLESS? (as well as in bad taste considering the man's recent demise.)

Montcalm wrote:If you remember 50s and 60s sci-fi most spaceship looked molded from one big block.

True enough but the interiors were all horribly bland and grey. I really didn't think you needed someone to design that at all, I figured someone just said "Ok, put up some walls and pain em grey or something. And add a bit of red and some gold grating." cause thats what the TOS sets were really. Post-TOS sets need design, but TOS sets were literally just flatgrey walls will the odd protrusion, and some red bits with gold grating.

kojikun wrote:Post-TOS sets need design, but TOS sets were literally just flatgrey walls will the odd protrusion, and some red bits with gold grating.

Perhaps that cogent and incisive analysis (sarcasm intended) explains why the Navy came out to inspect the TOS bridge set, and later based a communications center of theirs in large part on the Matt Jeffries TOS bridge. After all, design can't possibly figure into the way the REAL world works either, can it?

kmart wrote:Perhaps that cogent and incisive analysis (sarcasm intended) explains why the Navy came out to inspect the TOS bridge set, and later based a communications center of theirs in large part on the Matt Jeffries TOS bridge. After all, design can't possibly figure into the way the REAL world works either, can it?

Layout is a small part of the entire design. Notice how you quoted something I said about the blandness and grey colour scheme, but replied regarding the layout of the set? You're attacking something by using something entirely unrelated. Great job, asshole.

kojikun wrote:

kmart wrote:Perhaps that cogent and incisive analysis (sarcasm intended) explains why the Navy came out to inspect the TOS bridge set, and later based a communications center of theirs in large part on the Matt Jeffries TOS bridge. After all, design can't possibly figure into the way the REAL world works either, can it?

Layout is a small part of the entire design. Notice how you quoted something I said about the blandness and grey colour scheme, but replied regarding the layout of the set? You're attacking something by using something entirely unrelated. Great job, asshole.

Hey fuckhead, if you think the layout and the color scheme aren't related designwise for an art director, (I guess you figure this design stuff just gets pulled out of thin air, just as easy as you pull theories out of your ass), you've just proved who the asshole is.

There's a helluva lot MORE color on the TOS ship interiors (between artwork and colored lighting) than there is on any of the feature Enterprises, and a more pleasantly contrasty color scheme than the Architectural Digest beige look that permeated NextGen. Geez, the show is dripping with color.

kojikun wrote:You keep thinking that I'm insulting him. Seems to be a tendency around here to exxagerate one someone said and blow it way out or proportion.

*edit* allow me to rephrase that. I was expressing my shock at the fact that they needed someone dedicated to making those bland gray sets, i wasnt taking potshots. idiots.

Yeah, saying that you can't believe that someone was hired to make those sets sure wouldn't be disrespectful at all to the guy who made the sets. I suppose just any idiot could slap together quality, dramatically conducive and fiscally conservative sets on a whim. It's not like it takes any experience to know what something might cost, and be able to say "We can do this on that budget, but not this" to the writer and producer when he's given the plan.

The biggest rolleyes icon in the world is woefully inadequate for you right now.

I don't know what fucking rock you grew up under, but to proclaim amazement that a man's hard work could not have taken any effort, experience, or knowledge in designing those sets is frankly a bigger slap to Jeffries's face than anything else I can imagine.

Way to dig yourself in deeper.

kojikun wrote:True enough but the interiors were all horribly bland and grey.

Probably because they were originally designed to be seen on black & white televisions.

Baron Mordo wrote:Probably because they were originally designed to be seen on black & white televisions.

Not true.

Having actually seen the studio model, its far from matte gray. TV of the time wasn't up to showing the model in its full glory.



NecronLord, it wouldn't be a great loss.

It'll always have a special place in my heart. You will be missed.

Everyone take a deep breath!

I think it's pretty clear that kojikun was expressing surprise that the coloration of the ship was intentional.

He may have used a poor choice of words, and perhaps an obituary thread wasn't the best place to do it, but it's clear from his later posts that he was first surprised at everyone's reactions and then tried to explain himself.

So let's lay off him, alright?

As for Jeffries, may he rest in peace. He was a remarkable and influential man.