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Re: Microsoft's Nerw "Recall" Feature Has Some Issues
Posted: 2024-12-17 07:56am
by Mr Bean
If they did have Security people on the team they would not have come up with Recall because it's a hideous security vulnerability. It's an OS level keylogger with basic security every single malware will be able to turn on because that's expected behavior. And the neat trick is your anti-virus can't flag the program if it turns on because it's in the operation system itself.
Recall is above all the most hideously dumb product to come out of Microsoft in a long time.
Re: Microsoft's Nerw "Recall" Feature Has Some Issues
Posted: 2024-12-23 06:05pm
by Broomstick
Looks like I'm going back to Linux....
Re: Microsoft's Nerw "Recall" Feature Has Some Issues
Posted: 2024-12-23 07:56pm
by Batman
I've been on Windows since WfW 3.11 was brand-spanking new! I'm too old to learn a new OS.
Re: Microsoft's Nerw "Recall" Feature Has Some Issues
Posted: 2024-12-23 09:02pm
by Tribble
Batman wrote: 2024-12-23 07:56pm
I've been on Windows since WfW 3.11 was brand-spanking new! I'm too old to learn a new OS.
Ya, I know the feeling. I’ve been on Windows since 3.1, and MS-DOS 5-6 before that. Had Windows 95, 98, 2000, XP, Vista (quickly downgraded back to XP), 7, 8 and 10. I’ve held off on buying a new computer for a while, and have not been impressed by what I’ve seen so far of windows 11. My office is gradually rolling out Windows 11 and even though the computers are new it’s worse than my old work computer in many respects. And that’s before this stupid recall feature. If this is what I can look forward to I guess I might end up switching to a different OS for personal use after all, despite the learning curve.
I hear that some Linux versions are pretty similar (like Ubuntu)?
Also, I imagine that Mac OS isn’t
that different. Apparently the biggest difference is that it focuses on files rather than the applications themselves, no registry etc.?
Re: Microsoft's Nerw "Recall" Feature Has Some Issues
Posted: 2024-12-23 10:00pm
by Batman
If IBM weren't so bloody stupid I'd have been on OS/2 Warp since Win95 came out. Hopelessly superior even for Windows apps, but nah, let's give up on it, how much money is there to be made in the home user market.
Re: Microsoft's Nerw "Recall" Feature Has Some Issues
Posted: 2024-12-24 12:40am
by Lord Revan
Tribble wrote: 2024-12-23 09:02pm
Batman wrote: 2024-12-23 07:56pm
I've been on Windows since WfW 3.11 was brand-spanking new! I'm too old to learn a new OS.
Ya, I know the feeling. I’ve been on Windows since 3.1, and MS-DOS 5-6 before that. Had Windows 95, 98, 2000, XP, Vista (quickly downgraded back to XP), 7, 8 and 10. I’ve held off on buying a new computer for a while, and have not been impressed by what I’ve seen so far of windows 11. My office is gradually rolling out Windows 11 and even though the computers are new it’s worse than my old work computer in many respects. And that’s before this stupid recall feature. If this is what I can look forward to I guess I might end up switching to a different OS for personal use after all, despite the learning curve.
I hear that some Linux versions are pretty similar (like Ubuntu)?
Also, I imagine that Mac OS isn’t
that different. Apparently the biggest difference is that it focuses on files rather than the applications themselves, no registry etc.?
Mac isn't that bad for general use (I had to use it during my studies) but I've not tried to play games or do anything fancy with it.
Re: Microsoft's Nerw "Recall" Feature Has Some Issues
Posted: 2024-12-24 02:01pm
by Tribble
By the way, does Windows 11 still require you to login with a Microsoft account? Or can you make a local account?
I set my computer up so that the main admin account is purely a local account that I never use. I also have a standard user account for day-to-day stuff.
I don’t want any of my computer accounts linked with a Microsoft account.
Re: Microsoft's Nerw "Recall" Feature Has Some Issues
Posted: 2024-12-26 09:54pm
by Mr Bean
Tribble wrote: 2024-12-24 02:01pm
By the way, does Windows 11 still require you to login with a Microsoft account? Or can you make a local account?
I set my computer up so that the main admin account is purely a local account that I never use. I also have a standard user account for day-to-day stuff.
I don’t want any of my computer accounts linked with a Microsoft account.
It's easy if your have Windows 11 Pro if you have home there are a guides online but basically you have to shut down all internet option up to an including disabling wireless adapters, unplugging network cables and the like
Re: Microsoft's Nerw "Recall" Feature Has Some Issues
Posted: 2024-12-29 09:34am
by The Grim Squeaker
Mr Bean wrote: 2024-12-17 07:56am
If they did have Security people on the team they would not have come up with Recall because it's a hideous security vulnerability. It's an OS level keylogger with basic security every single malware will be able to turn on because that's expected behavior. And the neat trick is your anti-virus can't flag the program if it turns on because it's in the operation system itself.
Recall is above all the most hideously dumb product to come out of Microsoft in a long time.
Eh, you could make a similar argument (At the broad, very high level) about , say, autocomplete, password history etc'.
It's a feature that allows for a lot of very nice automagical helper features for users, especially users who, say, don't know how to search, or what's the difference betrween email, a browser and the internet. Abusers can look at browser history unless you were smart with incognito for example.
That said, it being potentially neat and useful does not contradict it being a potential security clusterfuck. And it lacking an opt-out, or corporation wide "disable" would have been insanity