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When Anakin had those Force visions about Padme's death, he did believe that she would die in childbirth. He told it to her after he woke up from his nightmares in the middle of the night.

The younger Anakin Skywalker was definitely powerful enough to survive Order 66 and kill the Emperor. He, after all, was the galaxy's Chosen One.

Such as in this hypothetical situation over here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1N3h6Mty7c

The Emperor certainly could have turned Anakin to the darkside without a fear of Padme's pregnancy.

But there's no gurantee that he would have suceeded.

Thus, Palpatine could have formed the Galactic Empire without a pregnant Padme, but whether or not he would have sucededed is a totally different story. Maybe. Maybe not.

Spiderman Fanboy wrote:When Anakin had those Force visions about Padme's death, he did believe that she would die in childbirth. He told it to her after he woke up from his nightmares in the middle of the night.

This much I know, my point is that the visions do not include anything to defintely say "death in childbirth." It's Anakin who reaches that conclusion (for understandable reasons).

Lord Revan wrote:

Spiderman Fanboy wrote:

Kreller1 wrote:Without the pregnancy, Palpy could have come up with some other contingency, like Padme' contracting some disease, that nothing except the Dark Side could cure. I mean, Palpy was so patient, plotting and methodical, that I am sure he had backup plans from A through Y. The pregnancy was just one method of pushing Anakin in the direction Palpy wanted him to go.

But without the threat to save Padme's life, the Empire is never formed?

GFFA is a dangerous galaxy, a death by childbirth doesn't have to be reason for a threat to padme's life, for all we know Sidious used that because it was convinient to his plans even if he didn't think of it himself.

the Sith Order had worked to this end for a millenia, I dout they would fail due something as simple as a person not getting pregnant when she was "suppose" to.

Are you saying that the Empire would've been formed without Anakin, or it could have? There's a difference, ya know!!!!

Spiderman Fanboy wrote: Are you saying that the Empire would've been formed without Anakin, or it could have? There's a difference, ya know!!!!

The Empire would have been formed without Anakin. Consider, the Sith's plan was already in motion at the start of TPM. Anakin was not found until halfway through. Do you really think Sidious is going to pull a scheme as complex as his on the chance that Anakin would be found by the Jedi?

Certainly having Anakin as a Jedi gave him an advantage: a war hero to use for propoganda, a personal ally, a "man on the inside" of the Jedi, a lever to use against the Council and a powerful apprentice. But he could have done all of that with someone else (indeed he did most of that with Dooku), Anakin was simply in the right place at the right time for Sidious' plan (which given that he's the Chosen one is hardly surprising).

Eternal_Freedom wrote:

Spiderman Fanboy wrote: Are you saying that the Empire would've been formed without Anakin, or it could have? There's a difference, ya know!!!!

The Empire would have been formed without Anakin. Consider, the Sith's plan was already in motion at the start of TPM. Anakin was not found until halfway through. Do you really think Sidious is going to pull a scheme as complex as his on the chance that Anakin would be found by the Jedi?

Certainly having Anakin as a Jedi gave him an advantage: a war hero to use for propoganda, a personal ally, a "man on the inside" of the Jedi, a lever to use against the Council and a powerful apprentice. But he could have done all of that with someone else (indeed he did most of that with Dooku), Anakin was simply in the right place at the right time for Sidious' plan (which given that he's the Chosen one is hardly surprising).

There's a difference between would have and could have.

And he just explained in not inconsiderable detail that it would have, and why. By now it's pretty damn clear you have a reading comprehension problem but seriously, this is grade school stuff.

Spiderman Fanboy wrote:

Eternal_Freedom wrote:

Spiderman Fanboy wrote: Are you saying that the Empire would've been formed without Anakin, or it could have? There's a difference, ya know!!!!

The Empire would have been formed without Anakin. Consider, the Sith's plan was already in motion at the start of TPM. Anakin was not found until halfway through. Do you really think Sidious is going to pull a scheme as complex as his on the chance that Anakin would be found by the Jedi?

Certainly having Anakin as a Jedi gave him an advantage: a war hero to use for propoganda, a personal ally, a "man on the inside" of the Jedi, a lever to use against the Council and a powerful apprentice. But he could have done all of that with someone else (indeed he did most of that with Dooku), Anakin was simply in the right place at the right time for Sidious' plan (which given that he's the Chosen one is hardly surprising).

There's a difference between would have and could have.

Come on mate, I even put it in bold and italics for you.

Maybe he's short-sighted on top of stupid and would have needed it in size 200 letters to notice.

Batman wrote:Maybe he's short-sighted on top of stupid and would have needed it in size 200 letters to notice.

That's not cool man, I'm short sighted but I'm intelligent enough to use the zoom function

Eternal_Freedom wrote:

Batman wrote:Maybe he's short-sighted on top of stupid and would have needed it in size 200 letters to notice.

That's not cool man, I'm short sighted but I'm intelligent enough to use the zoom function

UNLEASH THE POWER OF ALL CAPS LOCK!!!!!!

Short-sighted on top of stupid, remember?
I'm somewhat shortsighted myself (or would be if I weren't Batman) and I have absolutely no trouble with the standard text size (and, I suspect, neither do you). But it's either that, Spidermoron Fanboy having reading comprehension at or below grade school level, or him willfully ignoring our points (for his/her/its sake, I hope it's the last, because while that makes him a trolling piece of shit, at least it would mean he isn't necessarily as incredibly stupid as his posts so far indicate).

Had Palpatine never been able to lure Anakin to the darkside, Anakin was powerful enough to kill him as a lightsider, and he would probably/possibly have survived Order 66.

Several Jedi were, as was the entirety of the Old Republic Navy. A nonturned Anakin would have been just another obstacle Palpy would have to deal with (and was prepared for, as he was already set to deal with the entire Jedi order. Even if he survives Order 66-which is far from a given.

Spiderman Fanboy wrote:Had Palpatine never been able to lure Anakin to the darkside, Anakin was powerful enough to kill him as a lightsider, and he would probably/possibly have survived Order 66.

We saw plenty of powerful Jedi get killed by the clones, the entire goddamn Jedi Council apart from Yoda and Obi-Wan for god's sake. As we saw, it was not just accomplished by the Clones shooting the Jedi. Even the great Chosen One cannot survive when his fighter is blown into a thousand pieces, or the Star Destroyer he is on surrfers a convinient shield malfunction in battle and is vaporised by a TredFed battleship. It's really quite simple for such a high-profile Jedi: he joins the Dark Side (which is way cooler anyhow) or he gets killed. Whether that's by blaster fire or his fighter being shot to pieces or his Star Destroyer being blown up does not matter. Sidious would know how dangerous Anakin is and make doubly sure he gets killed.

Spiderman Fanboy wrote:A lightside Anakin could have killed Palpatine as early as ROTS.

If only George Lucas had explained this to the fans a bit more clearly.

All they have to do is imagine Anakin making a different choice at the crucial moment.