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True, true. If they weren't cool-looking enough, of course they shouldn't show up. That would just detract from the films. But I still say that ARC-170s look totally better than X-wings. If they were trying to make them look inferior based on bi-planes < jet fighters, it didn't really work. Who wouldn't want to fly an Asterisk-wing fighter? This is a digressive point, though, and not a criticism against ROTS at all.

Um-aesthetics does not equal performance. When I'm about to go tankbusting and I get to choose between a Warthog and a Fighting Falcon, I know what I'm going to pick.
Besides, they weren't meant to look inferior from what I know. They were meant to look related.

Lord Poe wrote:To paraphrase Ghost Rider, fuuuuuuck the EU. Why did we see Tarkin and not an EU character? Why SHOULD we? "Tarkin" in ROTS was only there for about 3 seconds, and was never stated in the film that it WAS him. That and...Tarkin was actually a FILM character, so he'd belong there.

The EU should stay firmly in its place. That being; only paid attention to where the films are silent.

Or when the birdcage needs a new lining. What I find most annoying about EU wanking is not only the fact that the EU, on the whole, sucks mule cock, it's the idea that someone other than George Lucas should have editorial say over Star Wars. We saw what happened to Trek when Roddenberry was cut out: a race to see who could put the word quantum into the scripts most often, along with all kinds of other dick polo.

Darth Ruinus wrote:The name Clone Wars sounds dumb, but its probably called the Clone Wars because the Clones won. Had the CIS won, it would probably be the Droid Wars.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:But this was definitely minimalistic compared to the thematic scale previously implied, including by Lucas himself

What are you saying here? Just because the Clone Wars was 3 years long it suddenly minimalistic?

Considering that supposedly that had basically no cops, zilch for militarization when the war began apart from 200,000 individuals soldiers, their equipment, and their transports? Yes.

Darth Wong wrote:

Battlehymn Republic wrote:Some ships could have just been in the background of the Battle of Coruscant.

If the EU artists wanted their ships to show up at the Battle of Coruscant, they should have drawn them so they wouldn't look like shit.

Do you like any EU designs, Mike? Anything you would've preferred to see in the space battle? Personally I think we could use a little diversity in ship-type and combined arms, personally.

I wouldn't have minded Demolisher-class frigates, Garm Bel Iblis and a few torpedo-spheres instead of the DeathStars shown in AotC and RotS.

Oh, and large numbers of Darth Vader's TIE-Advanced.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Darth Wong wrote:

Battlehymn Republic wrote:Some ships could have just been in the background of the Battle of Coruscant.

If the EU artists wanted their ships to show up at the Battle of Coruscant, they should have drawn them so they wouldn't look like shit.

Do you like any EU designs, Mike?

Not really. Anything they had that looked decent was just a minor modification upon a movie design. The stuff they came up with from scratch tended to be either boring or awful. Zahn's dreadnaughts for example are just pure shit, and the VSDs were beyond shit. They're so goddamned awful that whoever drew them should never be allowed to draw ships again.

Anything you would've preferred to see in the space battle? Personally I think we could use a little diversity in ship-type and combined arms, personally.

Yes, it would have been nice to see some more diversity. But that doesn't mean I want to see EU designs. Get a bunch of graphic artists together, let them brainstorm a shitload of original ideas, and then George Lucas can pick the ones he likes.

Without wanting to go too much further off topic, what do you dislike about the VSD? The fact that, aesthetically, it's an ISD hull with extra stuff glued on?

Exactly. Like the Z-whatever Headhunter is just an X-wing with a couple of wings taken off. LAME.

FTeik wrote:
Oh, and large numbers of Darth Vader's TIE-Advanced.

That wouldn't even make sense because in ANH it was a newly developed prototype fighter. It came as a refinement of TIE's, so the regular TIE's would have to come first, and they weren't heavily shown in the prequels either.

Darth Wong wrote: the VSDs were beyond shit. They're so goddamned awful that whoever drew them should never be allowed to draw ships again

Yeah, the Victories look like shit, but I have a question about them. There are Victories that have the big stupid wings, but then there are the Victories in EaW which look alot better, and then there are these things.

I've been seeing the EaW model alot more than the others, even Wookieepeida has them as the pics for the Victories, so, can I assume that a retcon has occured and the EaW ones are the official ones or are we still stuck with the wing shits?

Yeesh, those are pretty ugly. I hadn't even known that SDs with wings existed. I've only seen that second version of Victory.

The EaW ones are the correct ones an always have been. The first ones are the Imperial Frigates from Battlefront II and only appear, as far as, I know there.

Darth Ruinus wrote:

Darth Wong wrote: the VSDs were beyond shit. They're so goddamned awful that whoever drew them should never be allowed to draw ships again

Yeah, the Victories look like shit, but I have a question about them. There are Victories that have the big stupid wings, but then there are the Victories in EaW which look alot better, and then there are these things.

I've been seeing the EaW model alot more than the others, even Wookieepeida has them as the pics for the Victories, so, can I assume that a retcon has occured and the EaW ones are the official ones or are we still stuck with the wing shits?

I thought the EAWs were VicIIs, and the VicIs were the shit winged ones, but I might be mistaken. The Battlefront ship is the Victory-class Star Frigate, no relation to the Victory- class Star Destroyer.

The Original Nex wrote:
I thought the EAWs were VicIIs, and the VicIs were the shit winged ones, but I might be mistaken. The Battlefront ship is the Victory-class Star Frigate, no relation to the Victory- class Star Destroyer.

Victory I-class SD and the Vic-II classes looked exactly the same, but with the latter had a better engine system. I dont know what the winged ones are. I've only seen them on Google, but apperantly people have seen them elsewhere, hence people saying they looked fugly and had "wings"

Darth Ruinus wrote:

The Original Nex wrote:
I thought the EAWs were VicIIs, and the VicIs were the shit winged ones, but I might be mistaken. The Battlefront ship is the Victory-class Star Frigate, no relation to the Victory- class Star Destroyer.

Victory I-class SD and the Vic-II classes looked exactly the same, but with the latter had a better engine system. I dont know what the winged ones are. I've only seen them on Google, but apperantly people have seen them elsewhere, hence people saying they looked fugly and had "wings"

Well I basically redid the whole post after reading the relevent SWTC entry. It seems that perhaps the little x-wings they had were an interpretation of them, apparently for the games. Seems that LucasArts decided to fix it in EAW?

EDIT: Actually looking at the image they have in Star Wars: Rebellion they don't have the flared wings either. But I have seen images of the flared wings in, IIRC, the TIE Fighter and X-Wing Alliance games.

AFAIK, the disgustingly ugly flared wings only show up on the VSD models in the X-wing/TIE Fighter series of games. No explanation was ever made for them, and it's not even like all the ship models were accurate in those games. In every single other book and official source, VSDs look like that EaW picture. I'd just chalk this up to the TIE Fighter game designers being high or something when they did the VSD model.

Batman wrote:The implication UP to the PT has always been that the Clone Wars was a)a massive galaxy-shaking event, not some brushfire war involving just a couple then thousand systems (remember the scale of the OR) and b) the clones, or more properly, the clone masters, were the BAD guys.
And even for a dinky few dozen thousand systems I DO find three years minimalistic, yes.

You forgot. The Jedi engineered the Clone Wars dude! They paid these cloners to build their army, forced the Seperatists to fight a civil war just so they could take over the senate dude!


Frankly, the backstory of the Jedi conspiracy is way too whacked to take seriously........

Ghost Rider wrote: 2007-12-26 03:31pmAnd why should he cater to fanservice? Because the books sold well to the minority of the fanbase? And your ideas being a good one? Given some of the statements is not indicative of such, thus you have to go further to demonstrate your idea is fucking good idea.

And you can demonstrate he's going to do any of this in the TV show? Oh wait, it's you pulling shit from the depths of your ass.

Twelve years later, much of the EU has made it out of the original, and into Disney's new canon- including many of its TV shows such as Rebels and The Mandalorian.

Zahn, as well as Luceno, are some of the few EU authors who are now working on this new canon, and a new Thrawn trilogy is debuting in 2020.