New racist Israeli law passed (mixed couples)

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-08-01 08:27am

Dahak wrote:Hitler would be proud...

Shouldn't we all have learned *something* from the Holocaust?

I think assholes like Sharon learned from the holocaust,they learned what to do and how to do it.

Bob McDob · Post by **Bob McDob** » 2003-08-01 10:10am

The US really needs to kick someone's ass in Israel. Preferbly the Israelies first, then the Palestinians for good measure.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-08-01 10:36am

[AUTOMATED PRO-ISREAL RESPONSE VERSION 2.1]

It isn't a racist law.
It's a viable security measure.
It's a lie told by those who wish to destroy Isreal!
The Palestinians are worse/do the same thing.
Uh...Isreal will rise again!

Bob McDob · Post by **Bob McDob** » 2003-08-01 11:02am

Also, I have decided the next person who brings up Nazis in this thread will be exposed to the Hitler Penis, perhaps with song.

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2003-08-01 11:26am

Bob McDob wrote:Also, I have decided the next person who brings up Nazis in this thread will be exposed to the Hitler Penis, perhaps with song.

The what?!

On topic: When Israel has the backing it does, they can afford to risk bad PR. And anyway, the can always bring up 9-11.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-08-01 02:20pm

Durandal wrote: There's no such thing as an Israeli PR disaster.

You want a real PR disaster? Egypt claiming hundreds
of IAF aircraft have been shot down, and that Israeli
towns are being bombed by Egyptian aircraft....while
2/3rds of the Egyptian air force is a smoking ruin
on the ground thanks to the IAF.

Bob McDob · Post by **Bob McDob** » 2003-08-01 02:21pm

MKSheppard wrote:
Durandal wrote: There's no such thing as an Israeli PR disaster.
You want a real PR disaster? Egypt claiming hundreds
of IAF aircraft have been shot down, and that Israeli
towns are being bombed by Egyptian aircraft....while
2/3rds of the Egyptian air force is a smoking ruin
on the ground thanks to the IAF.

That's nice.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-08-01 02:23pm

Bob McDob wrote: That's nice.

Here's something even more funny, the Fucking CINC of the Egypian
Armed Forces in 1967 told Nasser that it was not Israeli aircraft that
carried out the first strike...but US NAVY aircraft operating from the
Sixth Fleet, rather than admit that his military had gotten assraped
by the evil Jews.

Bob McDob · Post by **Bob McDob** » 2003-08-01 02:46pm

Nobody cares :~(

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-08-01 04:29pm

MKSheppard wrote:
Durandal wrote: There's no such thing as an Israeli PR disaster.
You want a real PR disaster? Egypt claiming hundreds
of IAF aircraft have been shot down, and that Israeli
towns are being bombed by Egyptian aircraft....while
2/3rds of the Egyptian air force is a smoking ruin
on the ground thanks to the IAF.

I can see Baghdad Bob's carreer didn't start in Iraq.

There are no Isreali planes over Egypt! Isreali planes are being shot down by the hundreds at the gates of Egypt!

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-08-01 04:32pm

MKSheppard wrote:Here's something even more funny, the Fucking CINC of the Egypian
Armed Forces in 1967 told Nasser that it was not Israeli aircraft that
carried out the first strike...but US NAVY aircraft operating from the
Sixth Fleet, rather than admit that his military had gotten assraped
by the evil Jews.

Out of morbid curiousity, what does these things have to do with the topic at hand?

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-08-01 04:36pm

Gil Hamilton wrote: Out of morbid curiousity, what does these things have to do with the topic at hand?

The topic is about Israel, and someone mentioned PR disaster, and nothings
bigger than the PR disaster the Arabs faced in 1967.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-08-01 04:40pm

MKSheppard wrote:The topic is about Israel, and someone mentioned PR disaster, and nothings
bigger than the PR disaster the Arabs faced in 1967.

The topic is about particular PR disaster, not those. You are trying to change the subject away from that. I bet you figure that if you get people to talk about those, they won't talk about the topic at hand, and thus you won't have to admit that Israel really fucked up here.

Now, I humbly suggest you get back on topic.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-08-01 04:54pm

Gil Hamilton wrote: The topic is about particular PR disaster, not those. You are trying to change the subject away from that. I bet you figure that if you get people to talk about those, they won't talk about the topic at hand, and thus you won't have to admit that Israel really fucked up here.

Why is it that Israel always gets blamed whenever they take
prudent anti-terror measures?

Reminds me of this Dry Bones Cartoon:

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Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-08-01 04:55pm

MKSheppard wrote: Reminds me of this Dry Bones Cartoon:

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-08-01 05:01pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote: They're racist scum. You expected better?

The law, to be in effect for one year, would prevent Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza Strip (news - web sites) who marry Israeli Arabs from obtaining residency permits in Israel.

Statistics people:

Ethnicity of Suicide Bombers in Israel:

Arabs - 100%
Jews - 0%
Others - 0%

Yawn get back to me when some crazed orthodox jew goes to
Yaweh on a crowded Palestinian marketplace with clothes made
from DuPont, then I'll change my opinion, but until then...

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-08-01 05:05pm

Oh yes this reminds me of that Israeli who went insane and shot up
a bunch of Palestinians going to their Mosque...

What did he get?

A pat on the back? Widespread adoration from all the Jews for liquidating
29 Arabs?

From Wikipedia:

Baruch Goldstein was a Brooklyn-born Jewish Fundamentalist living in Israel. He killed some 29 Muslims at Sabbath prayer on Friday, February 25, 1994, in the Cave of the Patriarchs, a Hebron site holy both to Muslims and Jews. By profession a physician, he lived as a settler in Kiryat Arba. For years prior to the massacre, Goldstein had served as a physician in the Israeli army, first as a conscript, then in the reserve forces. After being initially subdued with a fire extinguisher, Goldstein was beaten to death by survivors.

Rioting immediately following the massacre caused the deaths of another 26 Palestinians and 2 Israelis.

Trial investigation testimony raised the possibility Goldstein had an accomplice - two Israeli army guards testified that a second settler entered Hebron's Tomb of the Patriarchs on February 25 shortly after gunman Goldstein, and that when Goldstein went into the tomb he was armed with a different gun from the Galil assault rifle found by his body. The second settler was carrying a Galil, they said. This testimony was never confirmed.

Goldstein's actions were immediately condemned by the Israeli government, and the Israeli populace in general. Spokespeople in all of the organized denominations of Judaism denounced his act as immoral and as terrorism.

He has become a hero among some of Israel's right-wing extremists. Some extremists set up a tombstone for him which read "To the saint Baruch Goldstein... who gave his life for the Jewish people, its Torah and his country; of clean hands and a pure heart". Members of the banned Kach organization, to which he belonged, glorify his mass murder. Most Israelis were repulsed by this action, and Israelis lobbied their representatives to take some action against this glorification of his actions. In 1998, a bill was passed in the Israeli Knesset that forbade the erection of monuments to terrorists; in 2000 a small shrine built around Goldstein's tomb was demolished; at the time it was also declared that a discussion of the wording above was pending.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-08-01 05:06pm

Oh yes this reminds me of that Israeli who went insane and shot up
a bunch of Palestinians going to their Mosque...

What did he get?

A pat on the back? Widespread adoration from all the Jews for liquidating
29 Arabs?

From Wikipedia:

Baruch Goldstein was a Brooklyn-born Jewish Fundamentalist living in Israel. He killed some 29 Muslims at Sabbath prayer on Friday, February 25, 1994, in the Cave of the Patriarchs, a Hebron site holy both to Muslims and Jews. By profession a physician, he lived as a settler in Kiryat Arba. For years prior to the massacre, Goldstein had served as a physician in the Israeli army, first as a conscript, then in the reserve forces. After being initially subdued with a fire extinguisher, Goldstein was beaten to death by survivors.

Rioting immediately following the massacre caused the deaths of another 26 Palestinians and 2 Israelis.

Trial investigation testimony raised the possibility Goldstein had an accomplice - two Israeli army guards testified that a second settler entered Hebron's Tomb of the Patriarchs on February 25 shortly after gunman Goldstein, and that when Goldstein went into the tomb he was armed with a different gun from the Galil assault rifle found by his body. The second settler was carrying a Galil, they said. This testimony was never confirmed.

Goldstein's actions were immediately condemned by the Israeli government, and the Israeli populace in general. Spokespeople in all of the organized denominations of Judaism denounced his act as immoral and as terrorism.

He has become a hero among some of Israel's right-wing extremists. Some extremists set up a tombstone for him which read "To the saint Baruch Goldstein... who gave his life for the Jewish people, its Torah and his country; of clean hands and a pure heart". Members of the banned Kach organization, to which he belonged, glorify his mass murder. Most Israelis were repulsed by this action, and Israelis lobbied their representatives to take some action against this glorification of his actions. In 1998, a bill was passed in the Israeli Knesset that forbade the erection of monuments to terrorists; in 2000 a small shrine built around Goldstein's tomb was demolished; at the time it was also declared that a discussion of the wording above was pending.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-08-01 05:09pm

Oooh, you don't see Arafat doing this:

http://www.ajds.org.au/Newsletters/Dece ... letter.htm

Israel army to demolish shrine to killer

By Ross Dunn, Jerusalem

Israel's army is preparing to demolish a shrine erected around the grave of a Jewish settler, Baruch Goldstein, who massacred 29 Muslim worshippers in Hebron in 1994.

Security forces fear the site has become an inspiration for other Jewish extremists plotting violence against Palestinians.

Israel's Supreme Court has upheld a decision by the army to demolish the shrine at the tomb of Goldstein, who gunned down unsuspecting Muslims at prayer in the mosque at the Tomb of the Patriarchs.

Goldstein, who was bludgeoned to death by a Palestinian mob after the murders, is buried in the Jewish settlement known as Kiryat Arba, which overlooks Hebron. Supporters of the New York-born Goldstein transformed a plaza around his grave into a memorial, with cases for prayer books and candles.

Justice Michel Cheshin, in the Supreme Court, rejected a pleas by Goldstein's parents, that dismantling the site would insult the memory of their son.

"We should remember, and we shall remember, the dignity of the 29 people whose lives were taken by Goldstein," Justice Cheshin said.

"Do we honour their memories by building a fancy monument to the person who took their lives?"

Justice Cheshin presided over a panel of judges who declared that the site had become a venue of pilgrimage, and, in essence, encourage people to praise murderers.

The court's decision comes more than a year after the Israeli parliament passed a law preventing the establishment of monuments at the graves of terrorists.

Israel's Trade Minister, Mr Ran Cohen, who sponsored the bill, praised the ruling. "The decision removes a stain from Israeli society," he said. "It is a necessary decision, even if it is a difficult one."

But the lawyer representing Goldstein's parents, Mr Naftali Wertzberger, said the decision would not stop supporters visiting the grave.

A spokesman for the Jewish community is Hebron, Mr Noam Arnon, said the ruling would only encourage more people to gather at the site.

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2003-08-01 05:10pm

Can't the Pal arabs that want to marry Isreali arabs just get citizenship?
You know, renounce forgeign (Non Isreali) citizenship, and pledge loyalty to the counrtry they want to live and move freely in?
Making ALL Isreali nationals have their spouces convert to Israeli citizenship, and live in Isreal proper, or go through the passport ritual EVERY time they enter Isreal would get the job done.
Exceptions could be made if the non Isreali spouce comes from a country that is friendly to Isreal.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-08-01 05:32pm

Wow I love these Israeli threads.

So easy, especially when one side actually follows laws, and
has general decency, while the other side is a pack of screaming
religious fundies who like to go to their God by blowing themselves
up and dozens of other innocent people.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-08-01 07:20pm

Shep, your red herrings are marvelous.

Post by **Coyote** » 2003-08-01 07:20pm

Shep, may as well give it up.

Every time one of these threads pop up, it is nothing but "evil Jews, evil Israelis, Nazis Nazis Nazis all...lets go bomb the Israelis... "

Not one mention of the vile record of the tyrant Arab governments, the fundy MUslim Arab treatment of Jews has been equally racist, their religious fundamentalism that gets overlooked, or the atrocities that they commit against their own people as well as Jews.

Oh, everyone gets all indignant and says "We know the Arabs are bad guys, but..." Beyond that token statement it is a 100% lambasting of the Jews. It is extremely one-sided. Not one mention of the hero-worship of terrorists who "bravely" lash out against a busload of retarded kids going to school (Bat Yam, 2000) or a bunch of families celebrating Passover dinner together (Netanya 2001)... nor any mention of the fact that the 'honor killing' of women continues to run rampant in Palestinian society... or that simply being denounced as a possible collaborator gets you lynched-- no trial, no evidence, no due process.

No, these threads do nothing but bash extreme measures taken by the Israelis while ignoring-- condoning?-- the cruelties of many Arabs. Silence implies consent, or so I'd been told many times...

I don't like this damn law any more than many of the stated opinions here but even I, who have been there and feared that friends of mine were dead in a terrorist blast, knew enough to remember that not all Arabs are evil and that the crackpots are the ones to face off against rather than issue blanket condemnations.

Why don't you people go there and actually bother to meet people on each side before issuing your wise proclomations and holier-than-thou know-it-all condemnations? Or better yet, brush up on some history and get to know what motivates the people, and their fears for the future and their families before you pop off?

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-08-01 07:22pm

Don't defend your choices, attack the choices of others!

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-08-01 07:39pm

Howedar wrote:Shep, your red herrings are marvelous.

Red Herrings? They're fucking cogent to the goddamned debate you nimrod.

For the last Sixty years CONSISTENTLY, the Arab World has been spewing
vitrolic at the dirty filthy Jews, and awarding glories and money to the families
of dead terrorists, while Israel publicly censures its own terrorists and
demolishes monuments to their own mass murderers.

Wow, what a fucking big difference there