Game of Thrones Season 3 (Spoilers)

[Mr Bean]

Okay this episode was good but I flipped (then flipped) then flipped a table when we had the little talk between Cat and Rob's wife (Her grace not appearing in the books)

More thoughts later.

[gigabytelord]

I found something funny and thought everyone might get a laugh out of it.

It's a list of GoW drinking game ideas.

[Vympel]

I loved Cat's monologue. A good moment in an all round excellent episode. How great was Olenna Tyrell? Thoros of Myr? Great! Solid, solid episode.

[Alferd Packer]

I loved Cat's monologue. A good moment in an all round excellent episode. How great was Olenna Tyrell? Thoros of Myr? Great! Solid, solid episode.

I agree. Though I'm still on the fence with Jojen and Meera Reed. They were...OK, but I think they have potential.

I was surprised to see Theon. I figured he wouldn't make an appearance until much later.

[Ralin]

I was surprised to see Theon. I figured he wouldn't make an appearance until much later.

A friend of mine called it. He's a bit major to just vanish for two or three seasons, so we're probably going to be seeing the stuff Dance implied/stated he went through.

Most likely the idea is to make draw the non-book reading audience in by getting them to go "Fuck yeah, Theon's getting what he deserves! : D" and then gradually realize that they're cheering for someone who is a Bad Person.

[fgalkin]

Excellent episode, much enjoyed Cat's little monologue about Jon, the chemistry between Jaime and Brienne, Joffrey and Margaery (I've actually felt a little sorry for Joffrey there, so easily was she playing him). The new characters introduced were all excellent, especially Diana Rigg as the Queen of Thorns, and the Merry Men of Robin Hoo...Brotherhood Without Banners. Jojen and Meera were okay, I liked her line about people worth helping. Reek was Reek, I guess.

Still would have liked to see the Bloody Mummers, but I can see how having Jaime's captors be Bolton men is better from a storytelling perspective.

Overall, a great episode.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Ralin]

Reek was Reek, I guess.

Wait, who was supposed to be Reek? Because I'm fairly sure "I'm going to help you escape tonight" guy was Ramsey.

Still would have liked to see the Bloody Mummers, but I can see how having Jaime's captors be Bolton men is better from a storytelling perspective.

Wonder how exactly they're going to handle the Mummers getting ahold of Brienne and Jaime. Because if I remember right they were confirmed for season three.

Oh, also, I think my biggest disappointment was the fight between Jaime and Brienne. It just didn't do the scene justice, and I really loved it in the book.

Then again, I didn't really expect it to. The fight choreography for this show has never been particularly good. Still, I kept wishing we'd get one good scene of Jaime just completely kicking ass to establish how good of a fighter he is.

[fgalkin]

Wait, who was supposed to be Reek? Because I'm fairly sure "I'm going to help you escape tonight" guy was Ramsey.

There has to be a Reek, to explain how Theon got that name, since he did not appear in S2. Whether he is or isn't Ramsay is debatable (he might be the actual servant who gets killed and Theon is forced to take his place).

Wonder how exactly they're going to handle the Mummers getting ahold of Brienne and Jaime. Because if I remember right they were confirmed for season three.

Oh, also, I think my biggest disappointment was the fight between Jaime and Brienne. It just didn't do the scene justice, and I really loved it in the book.

Then again, I didn't really expect it to. The fight choreography for this show has never been particularly good. Still, I kept wishing we'd get one good scene of Jaime just completely kicking ass to establish how good of a fighter he is.

IIRC they were intended to appear, and then got cut. The actor who was originally cast as Vargo now appears as Orell, and the producers have confirmed that Locke is "like Vargo Hoat, but without the lisp".

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Vympel]

Wait - why does there have to be a Reek? I don't see what purpose he would serve. Just have Theon turn into a stinking wreck of a human being and have Ramsay call him Reek. Job done.

[Ralin]

Yeah, I'm not sure why they need to show a prior Reek when they can just have Ramsey be like, "Man, remember that really fucked up servant I used to have who never bathed? Good times...hey, I've got an idea!"

Though I got the impression that original Reek was significantly less fucked up and more of a partner (well, servant) in crime to Ramsey.

[The Grim Squeaker]

I don't see what they'll DO With Theon. Books wise, he does nothing until "Dance with Dragons". They might show him accom[anying/being useful to the Boltons'schemes, but I have difficulty seeing what he'd do barring massive divergences from the book's chronological events.

Also, ick to semi-gratuitous (by my delicate standards ) torture.
And fuck yeah to the 2 awesome bits of fan service . (The Queen of Thorns scene being word perfect to the book, and the oft noted "Why didn't Arya name Tywin, Joffrey, or Cersei " complaint by fans being "voiced" )

[Meest]

Liked everything other than the swordplay, don't mind that it was simple and not flashy, but if you're going to show good fighters being efficient and masterful it needs to be shot better. Should have had more commentary from Jaime to kind of voice the inner thoughts of the fight for both of them, didn't get the impression he was doing fine until tiring and Brienne having doubts or nerves. Wondering if they'll just maim Jaime, from a budget standpoint it makes sense, as long as his sword arm is useless it should be enough. Could also be a full circle type moment that he cripples Bran then he gets disabled.

[Ralin]

Liked everything other than the swordplay, don't mind that it was simple and not flashy, but if you're going to show good fighters being efficient and masterful it needs to be shot better. Should have had more commentary from Jaime to kind of voice the inner thoughts of the fight for both of them, didn't get the impression he was doing fine until tiring and Brienne having doubts or nerves.

Probably should have made it more bloody too. Have one or both of them take some serious injuries. Probably Brienne; she's wearing armor, she can survive worse hits. For Jaime I'm thinking smash his face into the rail of the bridge a few times. He's the pretty one so it'll have more impact if his face is all bruised and bloody. Though that might be tricky to do mid-fight, so it would probably have to be at the end when Brienne's trying to force him to yield, right as the Boltons arrive.

Oh, and find some reason for Jaime to not be wearing those leg irons anymore. I can buy him holding his own with limited range of movement for his hands, but shackling his legs is too much of a disadvantage if we're going to believe that Brienne is at his level.

And fewer parts where they stop fighting while Jaime makes too long observations. It just wastes time. Keep Jaime's mocking comments short and to the point.

Wondering if they'll just maim Jaime, from a budget standpoint it makes sense, as long as his sword arm is useless it should be enough. Could also be a full circle type moment that he cripples Bran then he gets disabled.

Maim as in how exactly?
Spoiler

I mean, him losing his hand seems pretty straightforward and I'm not sure what the benefit of doing it some other way would be. How much can it cost to have him always be in long sleeved clothes from this point on?

[Steel]

Just like us knowing that Jorah was a traitor made for bad TV?

Knowing someone used to be a spy who will eventually be found out is hardly the same thing. Jorah being found out actually serves a purpose to the story later on. Barristan hiding his identity is nothing but a "aha!" reveal that's fun for the bookreader (because they can't see him themselves) and utterly pointless for a TV viewer, since there is no such moment unless said TV viewer is an idiot who can't see through a beard. It is ultimately unnecessary.

I don't see how there was a difference in the reveal of Jorah being a traitor between the book and the show. In the first book theres a mention that he is the one sending information in a council session, and in the show hes obviously the one sending the letters at least by the time of the assassination attempt.

[Thanas]

The fight between Brienne and Jaimie was underwhelming, especially seeing how easily she got the better of him.

[gigabytelord]

Spoiler

I mean, him losing his hand seems pretty straightforward and I'm not sure what the benefit of doing it some other way would be. How much can it cost to have him always be in long sleeved clothes from this point on?

Spoiler

They could just cut the major ligaments in his hand, I forget the name of the ligament but I remember reading about it as a form of punishment as doing so would prevent him from ever wielding a sword with that hand again and serve the same purpose as chopping it off. Feel free to clarify.

It would also avoid the actor having hide it with clothing.

[gigabytelord]

Double post.

[Mr Bean]

No need for that, just have him wear our good friend the fake stump hand. Also pretty quickly Jamie gets a replacement that the actor can shove his hand in the mean time.

[gigabytelord]

No need for that, just have him wear our good friend the fake stump hand. Also pretty quickly Jamie gets a replacement that the actor can shove his hand in the mean time.

Yeah but I was also thinking that doing that way would work better in the context of his current "hosts", torture seems to be their specialty anyway, and what better way to teach "The King Slayer" a lesson?

To remove that which makes him who he is.

[Ralin]

But that's exactly what amputating his hand does, only more thoroughly and simply?

I'm just not seeing how this is a better option. If anything I think that would work better in the books than on the show. TV audiences need to see why he can't use a sword anymore.

[gigabytelord]

But that's exactly what amputating his hand does, only more thoroughly and simply?

I'm just not seeing how this is a better option. If anything I think that would work better in the books than on the show. TV audiences need to see why he can't use a sword anymore.

I suppose you're right, I was thinking about from the point of view that the actor may not care to spend the next 4 or 5+ seasons with a prosthetic hand.

[Vympel]

I don't see what they'll DO With Theon. Books wise, he does nothing until "Dance with Dragons". They might show him accom[anying/being useful to the Boltons'schemes, but I have difficulty seeing what he'd do barring massive divergences from the book's chronological events.

Also, ick to semi-gratuitous (by my delicate standards ) torture.

It was ick, but I liked it that way.

As for what they'll do with Theon, they'll show him getting tormented in various ways I imagine. This is a necessity, they can't just tell Alfie Allen "you sit out the next two seasons because you weren't in the books". Because they're not going to pay him for doing nothing, and he might go find other work and he'll be unavailable when they need him, they'll have to do a recast and everything will be fucked.

Wondering if they'll just maim Jaime

No, he loses the hand. We've seen images of it, the hand is gone.

The fight between Brienne and Jaimie was underwhelming, especially seeing how easily she got the better of him.

Yeah I was hoping it would've been closer to the book. Instead he was quite easily bested, which whilst not unbelievable (hadn't practiced for a year, hands shackled, poor fitness) wasn't satisfying.

[Lord Revan]

As for what they'll do with Theon, they'll show him getting tormented in various ways I imagine. This is a necessity, they can't just tell Alfie Allen "you sit out the next two seasons because you weren't in the books". Because they're not going to pay him for doing nothing, and he might go find other work and he'll be unavailable when they need him, they'll have to do a recast and everything will be fucked.

I suppose that depends on what kind of contract Alfie Allen has, for all we know his contract says "you won't be needed for *insert the seasons depicting the books his character was not in* but be avaible for *insert the season his character returns*

I guess if the production team really wanted Theon to be part of all the season they'd find some way and make it work.

[Ralin]

Bear in mind they can't also give us Theon's inner monologue like in the books, and it would probably be hard to get the full point across by showing us his injuries after the fact.

And like I said, the viewing public wants to see him suffer.

And on top of that...they really need to establish Ramsey as one of the worst fuckers in all of Westeros. They're off to a weak start between changing Roose Bolton from a whispering, creepy guy who's always getting leeched and surrounded by people who visibly fear him to...basically a generic Putin-lookalike who's always advocating the murder and torture of prisoners. They need to step up their game if the Boltons are going to be all that they should be in later seasons, and I think showing Ramsey in action is probably their best way of going about it.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Spoiler

Green Glove and it's suddenly invisible

after all it's what we did in high school video and college video productions, and it's what they used on another show on sundays....