Fundie attacks Harry Potter

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-11-30 12:40am

It really says a lot about a religion if a children's book written for entertainment can lure your minio... I mean followers away.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-11-30 12:47am

What that religon is so boring and uninteresting and that even something as easy as a little sparkle and shine can lure most of the normals away?

Nah....

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-11-30 01:01am

Ghost Rider wrote:What that religon is so boring and uninteresting and that even something as easy as a little sparkle and shine can lure most of the normals away?

Nah....

Don't forget, a consistant moral theme, a coherent plot, and a likeable hero!

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-11-30 09:05am

Dumb fundies. Afraid of everything.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-12-01 04:48am

Hm here's some proof that Harry Potter is EVIL!!!

Book Review

Movie Review

Sienthal · Post by **Sienthal** » 2002-12-01 04:54am

Hmmm
Though I think you might know that these seem to be satirical, I'll just say that they do, indeed, seem to be satirical,

Also, who sees a Chick Tract coming out about this?

Me! Me!

Finally, I've seen someone else who has played Star Control 2! Woot!

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-12-01 05:02am

Hehe. Unfortunately many Christian reviews are not that different.

Sienthal · Post by **Sienthal** » 2002-12-01 05:24am

Erm...That was for Slartibartfast's two links, those www.pointlesswasteoftime.com sites

I have no doubt in the sincerity and lack of itelligence in the Christian Reviews,

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-12-01 06:07am

Sienthal wrote:Erm...That was for Slartibartfast's two links, those www.pointlesswasteoftime.com sites

I have no doubt in the sincerity and lack of itelligence in the Christian Reviews,

You forgot to quote then...
Yes I know they're satirical (and I love that site), and I also love bashing people who don't get that they're satirical (like people who get upset at the 50 reasons LOTR sucks

)

And yes, Star Control II rules

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2002-12-01 04:16pm

Yes. Genocide isn't a wholesome thing yet the Bible justifies it. Same thing with rape.

I think the more important qualifier in their eyes would be the "unbiblical" part... so I suppose genocide and rape are just peachy in the eyes of fundies.

data_link · Post by **data_link** » 2002-12-01 04:23pm

Uraniun235 wrote:
Yes. Genocide isn't a wholesome thing yet the Bible justifies it. Same thing with rape.
I think the more important qualifier in their eyes would be the "unbiblical" part... so I suppose genocide and rape are just peachy in the eyes of fundies.

What's amazing is that they are so inconsistent about it. Whenever someone tells them that their bible supports rape and genocide, they freverenty deny it, in spite of their position that everything the bible says is moral, so why should they care what it supports if that was true?

It's at times like this that I wonder how anyone can possibly be so stupid.

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-12-01 04:26pm

Notice the Bible's explicit instructions to spare no one, and not to intermarry?

Ethnic cleansing, methinks.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2002-12-01 09:13pm

Changing the topic slightly; to you remember when I told you that in Australia, in order for Jedi to become an official religion, more than 10,000 people had to fill it out in their census form? I also told you that around 70,000 did so, but the government dissmissed it as a 'prank', however to quote from the Age;

"Why can't Jedi be a religion? It's not as if it is any more 'irrational' than any of the other religions which have no basis in reality!"

So everytime a fundie says stuff about Harry Potter it's actually a little scary, 'cause most of us have the inate intelligence to realise that this is nothing more than a fairy tale, but of course since they believe in fariy tales, it's naturally a threat to them.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2002-12-02 07:49am

Something I often wonder about is why these christian fundamentalists didn't flare up when Tolkien wrote Lord of the Rings, which practically started the fantasy genre together with C.S. Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia.

I also wonder why they neither complain about H. P. Lovecraft's short stories and novels, as these depict actual occultism rather than plain ol' witchcraft.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2002-12-02 07:53am

Except C S Lewis was a fundy himself - The Chronicles of Narnia, especially The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe are littered with Christian teachings.

kheegster · Post by **kheegster** » 2002-12-02 07:58am

Tolkien was the one who converted CS Lewis apparently...

KG

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-12-02 08:05am

innerbrat wrote:Except C S Lewis was a fundy himself - The Chronicles of Narnia, especially The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe are littered with Christian teachings.

As I understand it he and Tolkien were religious. That certainly doesn't mean they're fundies.

Some times you guys are a little too willing to slap that label on anyone religious.

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » 2002-12-02 08:07am

"Harry Potter and all his friends burned in hell for practicing witchcraft"
says Ned Flanders as he flings the book into the fire. Rod and Tod cheer.

Skelron · Post by **Skelron** » 2002-12-02 09:49am

Aye Tolkien and CS Lewis where Christians nopt Fundies...

As for the site typical Fundie Crap, look at the Stuff on D+D... (I love this stuff, I used to look it up all the time, for a quick laugh at the fundies. B.A.D.D and the sources they use have been ripped to shreds so much the whole idea of debating with these Fundies is moot, others have said it all, and better. They use an Serial Killer as a legimate source! (Me thinks he was mad enough) They use the suicide attack, despite the fact that even their own statistics betray them. (if you took the amount of suicide's they say, per year, amoungest roleplayer's of a specific age range and then compare to the expected number based on the averages for that age range, the number of roleplayer suicides is Lower than the national average for a similar sized group of people of that age range... etc As I said their evidence on this matter was Ripped to shred's years ago. This was a friendly warning to anyone tempted to challange them... They use the Darkstar debating tactic it seems...)

Skelron · Post by **Skelron** » 2002-12-02 09:54am

having said all that I can't resist.... it's too much fun, okay wish me luck I choose to challange them on D+D... cos I'm lazy, and can use the established information. anyone else going to take them on another matter. (Note I have to be careful how I phrase this as I'll be using my university account, so when I post a copy here if it appears to your eyes to be a little too nice I hope you understand!)

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2002-12-02 09:55am

check out the number of serial killers whose personal libraries included the Bible... there are several who were quite inspired by the Book of Revelations.

Skelron · Post by **Skelron** » 2002-12-02 10:47am

Well here's my post, It's a little short on Facts from me... (I want to see first if he's interested, if he's not then then I'm not busting my back hunting down the info, if he is then I'll go for it...)

Dear Sir

I’m writing to you in regards to your attacks on D+D, and I assume also by extension the hobby of Role playing, which I find to be both insulting and misinformed. It is because of this that I hope you will join me in a debate over the matter, for starters I will state my own position on the matter, your own being quite clear on your message board.

I am a Roleplayer, yes, an avid one yes. I both Play and DM, and have enjoyed my games in the worlds of D+D for many years. However there is more to me than this, I am also a Catholic, I was raised by two Catholic Parents, who are also Catholic school teacher’s. I have spent my life in the Catholic education system, and in short am a believer in God. However I do not agree with your attacks upon a Hobby I am quite fond of.

Here I will address a few of your points…

Quote ‘People have said: "I've seen people have fits, yell for fifteen minutes, hurl dice...when their character dies." "It's when you take the game home with you, when Johnny's mad for a week because you killed his character, that it's an addiction." Gary Gygax said: "when you start playing out a fantasy, it can really eat up time and capture you totally. Most people can handle it, but there are probably exceptions." A Dr. Douglas Brown said: "If a person isn't too well put together to begin with, it's not going to be good for him."
Many find D&D to be an escape from the real world and find it more exciting. But some have found it hard to separate the real from the imaginary and carry the game into real life’

I have seen my brother (Younger) and family friends throw fits of disappointment at their Favourite Football’s teams loss in the Cup or League match they where playing. These fits have lasted for a very long time, they have sulked, and blamed the manager, the defender, called this person all kinds of names. (depending on who is in ear shot of course, my Dad won’t use quite the same language in front of my younger Brother, as you’d expect). This love of sports is a form of escape, does it really matter that their favourite team failed to make it through to the next round of the FA Cup, or whatever? No of course not, within a Day or two they will have forgotten the disappointment and moved on… but by your definition of escapism being a Football Fan is a step towards Satanism!! Still let us move on perhaps later you have something more solid…
Quote ‘The whole concept of the game is to do battle with monsters. Characters are equipped with various types of armor, weaponry, potions and spells. It is necessary to kill, not just the monsters but even humans, in order to succeed in the game.’
Yes but a Key thing you miss here is that it is a Game…. In Monopoly you buy and sell property in an attempt to Bankrupt you’re the other players, a strange thing about such a game, if it was real life and my stated goal in life was too ruin a set amount of people’s lifes it would not be a very Christian thing to do… yet Monopoly is not seen as evil, why because it is make believe it is a game, nothing occurs in the real world because I end up owning Mayfair. D+D is a game nothing happens in the real world because I happen to role a twenty on the Dice.
Quote A central Washington police department asks as a standard question of those arrested: "Are you a participant of Fantasy Role Games?" Another source stated that 60 suicides were directly attributed to D&D in 1981.
One should check claims on suicide VERY closely, as if you did you would not be left in the position of having it pointed out that If you compared say 10,000 Roleplayers of an age range against 10,000 Non-Roleplayers of the same age range, the number of Roleplayers who committed Suicide in any given year would be LESS than the number from the None Roleplayer’s section of society. In effect Roleplaying has been proven to either at worst No effect on the likely hood of a person committing suicide or maybe even an inverse effect. That is that in fact cuts down on the likely hood of a person committing suicide. Such information can easily be checked out on a web Search of Yahoo, on D+D and Satanism I believe. Almost any of the sites brought up will contain these facts.

Quote ‘D&D makes use of several effective teaching/learning techniques including involving the feelings of the participants, role-playing, fantasy, and memorization. The roles (classes, professions) include religious-type roles (although not Christian by any means) such as cleric, Druid, and monk. Other roles are that of fighter, thief, illusionist, assassin, etc. The fantasies include doing battle with devils and demons using various types of weaponry, spells and potions. Magic-users, elves, and clerics use spells, which must be memorized before a game begins after consultation with the proper book of spells. The spell must then be spoken or read aloud in order to have any effect. ‘
Of all the false hoods around about D+D this is the most common and I am happy to correct it for you. The Mage Character has a spell book yes, the Mage Character must speak the spells out loud. However The Mage Character is not real. The Real Person I.E me (hereafter called the Player) simply has a list of Spells and says I’ll use the Fireball spell, and then I’ll role the dice for the damage. A Difference must be made between the Character and the Player. The Character exists only in my imagination, and that of my fellow player’s the D+D Rule books Have never ANYWHERE contained instructions on how to do the attempt to do the spells in the book in real life. Unless you count, the spell costs a gold piece in spell components, as a detailed instruction on how to create a ball of exploding Fire!

Quote ’One of the book's author says that in D&D good is given far more attention than evil, but a 40-hour-per-week player claims that it is better to be evil because you can do evil things and get away with them. An FRP games representative stated in The Milwaukee Journal, 11/5/81, that "these games are teaching the difference between right and wrong." In D&D even lawful good characters kill many other human characters in the name of duty to eradicate evil. ‘
I have never experienced this side of things. My friends and I have ran an Evil campaign, it ran out steam after one session… Why was this you ask, because there was no trust! A Vital part of D+D is Trust between the party, yes the less than honest Character may take more than their share of the Treasure… But You can trust them when the chips are down if you like. In an Evil Campaign every Character is out for themselves and will only help each other if it benefit’s them. This has been the case in my experience for most evil campaigns the Trust fades. It isn’t more fun in fact it’s dull. Besides at higher levels the Deva’s will kick you about like nobody’s business, because the forces of Good are stronger in D+D than the forces of evil. More on this later!
Quote ‘Deities and Demigods, page 5 says: "Serving a deity is a significant part of D&D, and all player characters should have a patron god. Alignment assumes its full importance when tied to the worship of a deity." The Dungeon Masters Guide, page 25 says this: "Whether or not the character actively professes some deity, he or she will have an alignment and serve one or more deities of his general alignment indirectly and inbeknownst to the character. Another D&D book says that the Gods and their Cohorts will occasionally assist their devotees with aid, or harm them.
In Deities and Demigods, a total of over 200 foreign gods are mentioned. ‘
Need I say it, The God’s in the Deities Handbook are False, have been made up. No where do they claim, hint at a claim… put any words that can be slightly interpreted as saying the Gods are real. It is clear they are pieces of Fiction, much like, once more, like the money in Monopoly… or the person in Cludeo that has been murdered.
Quote ‘The words demon, devil and hell appear a total of 225 times in eight pages of Deities and Demigods (pages 16-23), and encourages the worship of them as lesser gods (page 105).
The words Devil, devils, and Satan also appear in the Bible (over 150 times), but the Bible teaches something entirely different about them.

WEhat exactly the Devil’s and Demon’s in the Monstrous Manual are a bunch of Evil Sadistic nasty pieces of work. That are the very definition of Evil the ultimate foe for the Brave Paladin, a Paragon of Virtue. (Much like the Grail Knights in the Legend’s of King Arthur) Not only that but they are constantly at war with each other. Showing that Evil is self defeating, if they where able to work together they would be a terrible host, but like all evil it defeats itself. On Top of all this their opposite number’s the Celestrial Hosts, Deva’s and the like are Stronger and more powerful than their opposite number Demon or Devil. Good also works together over all the hosts of goodness put the Hosts of Evil to shame. And shows that good is stronger than Evil, no matter how powerful or strong the Evil may seem. What is wrong with that message?

Anyway I hope to hear a reply.
Andrew Mawdsley

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Skelron · Post by **Skelron** » 2002-12-02 11:15am

Damn and Damn again I wish I'd read more of their site. I Can screw em by their own words! When they say a Lawful Good person can't kill people even in a good/just cause... They directly contradict themselves because these people SUPPORT Capital punishment. I personally am oppossed to it but they arn't they see it as good, and lawful therefore Lawful Good. They are hypocrite's of the Nth degree. Hope he does respond because I've got em by their own words, Yeah ha I am liking this smell. I'll have to examine more now, as they propably contradict themselves more!