and it's somehow easier to grab a target w/ transporters at warp?Lord Revan wrote:It's not couldn't fire weapons at warp (since ENT are human ships could do that), but it's nearly impossible to hit any sublight and/or stationary object due to the speeds involved (by the time you have a target lock your out of weapons range).Matt Huang wrote:If transporters can lock onto and transport somebody on a stationary object while the ship is at warp, why can't weapons fire at warp?
What can pull a vessel from warp?
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It's possible, but risky.Matt Huang wrote:and it's somehow easier to grab a target w/ transporters at warp?Lord Revan wrote:It's not couldn't fire weapons at warp (since ENT are human ships could do that), but it's nearly impossible to hit any sublight and/or stationary object due to the speeds involved (by the time you have a target lock your out of weapons range).Matt Huang wrote:If transporters can lock onto and transport somebody on a stationary object while the ship is at warp, why can't weapons fire at warp?
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Well we have seen weapons being fired at objects at warp, but we haven't seen weapons being fired at warp to sublight target or sublight object firing at an target that's traveling at warp. IIRC even near-warp transport is considered very dangerous while possible. BTW where did they make a inwarp transport since all I can remember is the near warp transport in TNG.Matt Huang wrote:and it's somehow easier to grab a target w/ transporters at warp?Lord Revan wrote:It's not couldn't fire weapons at warp (since ENT are human ships could do that), but it's nearly impossible to hit any sublight and/or stationary object due to the speeds involved (by the time you have a target lock your out of weapons range).Matt Huang wrote:If transporters can lock onto and transport somebody on a stationary object while the ship is at warp, why can't weapons fire at warp?
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Enterprice (NX-01) has fired and hit with its phase cannons while at warp.Praxis wrote:Yep, warp ships can hit warp ships (only with torpedoes), and sublight ships can hit sublight ships. Warp ships have NEVER been seen hitting nonmoving ships.
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Oh go away. Don't ask me why they don't, fact is they don't. Remember how evidence works? Since they don't do it, even when it'd be a damn good idea, it is INDEED inventing capability to say they can, or will. Fanwankery does not translate into real capability.Matt Huang wrote:If transporters can lock onto and transport somebody on a stationary object while the ship is at warp, why can't weapons fire at warp?
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At what?Lord Revan wrote:Enterprice (NX-01) has fired and hit with its phase cannons while at warp.
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a Suliban ship.Batman wrote:At what?Lord Revan wrote:Enterprice (NX-01) has fired and hit with its phase cannons while at warp.
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Moving at Warp or STL? Warp-to-Warp combat was never under debate.Lord Revan wrote:a Suliban ship.Batman wrote:At what?Lord Revan wrote:Enterprice (NX-01) has fired and hit with its phase cannons while at warp.
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And where does the information that you can transport between ships at Warp and STL/stationary objects come from?
Several TNG episodes indicate that rather you can't and have to go sublight for the transport ('touch-and-go downwarping' I think they called it),
and transport between ships that are both at Warp require matching Warp velocities, indicating that the relative speed of both parties is indeed the deciding factor.
Several TNG episodes indicate that rather you can't and have to go sublight for the transport ('touch-and-go downwarping' I think they called it),
and transport between ships that are both at Warp require matching Warp velocities, indicating that the relative speed of both parties is indeed the deciding factor.
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It warp-to-warp what Praxis said to be torps only.Batman wrote:Moving at Warp or STL? Warp-to-Warp combat was never under debate.Lord Revan wrote:a Suliban ship.Batman wrote: At what?
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Ah, thanx. I had missed that.Lord Revan wrote:It warp-to-warp what Praxis said to be torps only.Batman wrote: Moving at Warp or STL? Warp-to-Warp combat was never under debate.
IIRC there are a number of Warp-to-Warp phaser/disruptor usage incidents from DS9 so I thought that point was moot.
Thanks for clearing that up.
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no problemBatman wrote:Ah, thanx. I had missed that.Lord Revan wrote:It warp-to-warp what Praxis said to be torps only.Batman wrote: Moving at Warp or STL? Warp-to-Warp combat was never under debate.
IIRC there are a number of Warp-to-Warp phaser/disruptor usage incidents from DS9 so I thought that point was moot.
Thanks for clearing that up.
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Beam weapons do work at warp sometimes. In one Voyeger episode (Human Error) an autonomous missile shot down multiple photon torpedoes while both Voyeger and the missile was at warpPraxis wrote:Yep, warp ships can hit warp ships (only with torpedoes), and sublight ships can hit sublight ships. Warp ships have NEVER been seen hitting nonmoving ships.
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and there NX-01 using its phase cannons at warp (2150's human tech)IUnknown wrote:Beam weapons do work at warp sometimes. In one Voyeger episode (Human Error) an autonomous missile shot down multiple photon torpedoes while both Voyeger and the missile was at warpPraxis wrote:Yep, warp ships can hit warp ships (only with torpedoes), and sublight ships can hit sublight ships. Warp ships have NEVER been seen hitting nonmoving ships.
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Which is why we never, ever even see a passing ship dump a load of torps on a target. I mean, THAT should be EASY. (short time on target needed, guided weapons, warp sustainers, not a beam) But they don't, probably because for some reason beyond our imperfect understanding of their technology it doesn't work.The Silence and I wrote:And a dominion bug attacking a runabout in DS9, it is quite well established that beam weapons can be fired from warp. Warp strafing is also theoretically possible, but due to relative speeds and targeting ranges this becomes impractical.
I'll agree that it *sounds* plausible. But they never, ever do it. Basing any ST space battle around a tactic there are obviously reasons for avoiding is just stupid. Its saying the Master should just materialise his TARDIS around the entire universe and keep it in his pocket for laughs.
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Those are polarons, not phasers. They look similar, but are completely different.The Silence and I wrote:And a dominion bug attacking a runabout in DS9, it is quite well established that beam weapons can be fired from warp. Warp strafing is also theoretically possible, but due to relative speeds and targeting ranges this becomes impractical.