Last scene from Enterprise season finale !?!(Spoilers)

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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Kirk and company went back in time to 1969 in TOS. Last time I checked, WWII occured in the early to mid 1940s, so them running into Kirk would be an impossibility. ;)

About the bombs, fire, radio and crap: didn't they just get there? If you have all this stuff happen right away, then the scenes suffer from being too busy.
I'm almost positive Kirk and friends were running around pretending to be Nazis, and they had to let that lady die so that Germany wouldn't get the bomb first. And I can understand that whole "scenes too busy" thing, but might someone glance at the sensors and say "hey, Paris is on Fire"?

2 seperate episodes there; "City on the Edge of Forever" where McCoy changed history in the 1930s in the United States; "Patterns of Force" was the Nazi episode, with Federation emmisary John Gill re-creating the "New Order" to bring about stabilty to the Ekosian people.
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Yeah, basically, there would be currently no way for Archer and company to run into Kirk and company.
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*Chris Watches season final in silence*
*Chris remains staring at Computer long after it is over*
*Chris (still in total silence) Walks to back door and into bunker*
*Chris Presses BIG RED BUTTON on control pannel*

*OWP above Earth suddenly comes to life, turning to bring its 'Very Big Energy Weapon' to bear directly on Paramount Studios, specificaly the Star Trek Lots and B&B offices*

So long Star Trek says I. I watched bits and peices of Enterprise seasons 1 & 2, Didn't really get me. Season 3 however, especialy the other half, really grabbed me and got me hoping this show could actualy work and be great.

Then they pull this.
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"Young fools, only now at the Season Finale do you realize how awful B&B are. Your feeble faith in Trek is no match for the power of the mediocrity. You have paid the price for your lack of vision. Now...young fanboy...you will cry." :twisted:
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I think that should have ended with the scene pausing to a still image and then Bremen popping up from below and going "HA HA HA! GOTCHA, YOU STUPID FUCKERS!" :x
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You know, that last scene would have been cool if:

1. There was no alien Nazi. Just regular Nazis with an unconscious (American) Captain Archer in their medical tent.

2. B&B hadn't spent the last 11 years throwing stupid time travel stories at us. If this was the FIRST time travel incident in ENT, it would have been cool. Since it's the 900th, it isn't.
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Stravo wrote:"Young fools, only now at the Season Finale do you realize how awful B&B are. Your feeble faith in Trek is no match for the power of the mediocrity. You have paid the price for your lack of vision. Now...young fanboy...you will cry." :twisted:
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I agree; everything was going well until they couldn't hail HQ.

I can only think of two possible explanations - other than B/B being lazy:

1. The destruction of the Spheres is somehow responsible.

2. The whole Xindi-Arc was a ruse; the Suliban had taken advantage of the

Expanse mission to fuck around with history anymore.

And the thing that sucks is that even though I loathe this show, I probably will tune back agian in the fall to find out WTF is going on.

Thank you Rick Berman and Brannon Braga - you're running Trek into a tunnel from which it may never emerge.
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acesand8s wrote:Archer, Reed, Hoshie, some MACOs and (Arboreal and Mammalian) Xindi chase after the planetkiller in Degra's ship. The Enterprise comes up with some technobabble way of destroying the spheres with its deflector dish. They manage to destroy the spheres after fighting some of the spherebuilders. Meanwhile, the planetkiller with one reptilian escort reach Earth. Archer and co. arrive and attack it, trying to get into transporter range where they'll destroy it from the inside. An Andorian ship arrives to help Archer and it destroys the escort. Archer and the other humans beam onto the planetkiller and set some bombs, but Archer is "killed" before he can beam out (Reed and Hoshie make it). The A and M Xindi take the surviving humans to rendevous with the Enterprise and everyone is saddened by Archer's death. An Aquatic ship gives the Enterprise a lift back to Earth. It drops off the Enterprise in orbit and leaves. Enterprise tries to hail Earth but no one responds. A shuttlepod is sent out to investigate. It flies over San Francisco...and is attacked by a bunch of P-51s. Then the camera angle changes to a Nazi POW (?) camp. A bunch of Nazi officers are around pointing at a badly injured Archer on a cot, wondering who he is, what uniform he has on. Then an alien (I don't recognize the species) walks up in a Nazi uniform. That's it.

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WTFWTFWTFWTF

They did yet another fucking deflector dish save?

Enterprise is forever cemented in my mind as the shittiest of all Trek, right alongside Nemesis.

And... hello sensors, where are you? Shouldn't you be scanning and picking up the utter lack of human space presence?

Captain Chewbacca: You're getting your TOS episodes mixed up. Kirk and co. pose as Nazis in Patterns of Force, in which a Federation cultural observer takes over the planet and models it after the Nazis. Kirk's flame has to die in City on the Edge of Forever, in which the woman in question has to die because if she doesn't, she'll influence the American government to delay entry into WW2, supposedly giving Germany the time it needs to develop atomic weapons and successfully subjugate the world with it's combination of rockets and nukes.

(Minor hijack: While Nazi Germany's development and deployment of nuclear weapons is known to be impossible due to the reality of WW2, it's possible that Earth historians have over time twisted the history of the early to mid 20th century to paint the Nazis as a greater threat than they really were... although it's arguable that this has already been accomplished to some degree today, given how many people believe this in real life, and that this widespread misconception has never been corrected in the 23rd century.)
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Shows how much I know about Trek, but I'm surprised in 80 episodes they had to have 2 that were Nazi episodes.
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No Nazi's actually appeared in "The City on the Edge of Forever," since it was set in the US in the late 1930s. The only TOS episode that had "Nazis" appear was "Patterns of Force." So there was really only one Nazi episode.
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What's the season finale's name?
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I seem to remember that either Berman or Braga has a website with a message board. Does anyone know where it is? I have an urge to...discuss...the finale there.
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acesand8s wrote:I seem to remember that either Berman or Braga has a website with a message board. Does anyone know where it is? I have an urge to...discuss...the finale there.
Braga has the website and message board; google it.

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space nazis? SPACE NAZIS? But...but....why...how... *head explodes*
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It was a good episode. I loved how Shran just came out of nowhere and opened a nice big can of Andorian whoopass on the Reps. The way Archer killed that Rep rocked! He proved his badassness right there. :) The last part was a bit weird, but makes you want to watch season four, just to see what the fuck happened. :)

I was sure Archer was dead for awhile though. I figured they had him die incase Enterprise wasn't renewed for another season and this way they could give him a good death. Then, in the event of a fourth season, they could've just claimed he escaped somehow. Anyways, I was wrong. :P
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I think most people are juding the entire episode on the last scene and what they think B&B will do. And thats just not fair.

Since we don't know the circumstances behind it, it is premature to judge wether the time travel angle is stupid or not. As I said earlier, time travel isn't a bad thing, it is how you use it that counts.
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And we can prematurely judge this time travel scenerio because we all know how poorly B&B have used time travel in the past, particularly within ENT.
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It's possible that Daniels, in an attempt to save Archer just threw him to a random timeline, then sent Enterprise to retrieve him. Archer and co will probably decide to stay long enough to help the allies win WWII.
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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:And we can prematurely judge this time travel scenerio because we all know how poorly B&B have used time travel in the past, particularly within ENT.
Normally that would be the case, but Season 3 was such a remarkable turn around, that it would behoove us to give them the benefit of the doubt at least until we see the next episode.
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Admiral_K wrote:I think most people are juding the entire episode on the last scene and what they think B&B will do. And thats just not fair.
As I find myself saying more and more these days, it's pattern recignition.
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Admiral_K wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:And we can prematurely judge this time travel scenerio because we all know how poorly B&B have used time travel in the past, particularly within ENT.
Normally that would be the case, but Season 3 was such a remarkable turn around, that it would behoove us to give them the benefit of the doubt at least until we see the next episode.
ENT has been living off this "benefit of the doubt" since season 1. I don't give a cobra the benefit of the doubt. Those two turds have zero talent between the both of them and contrinue to prove me correct at every turn.
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Aya wrote:It's possible that Daniels, in an attempt to save Archer just threw him to a random timeline, then sent Enterprise to retrieve him. Archer and co will probably decide to stay long enough to help the allies win WWII.
I pray to God that it does not come to such desperate measures in empty storytelling. If it turns out that according to Star Trek, 20th Century Man did not win the Second World War by his own efforts and sacrifices, then I one will be both very pissed off and HIGHLY offended...

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Perhaps because they have moved timeslot to Friday 9PM B&B have decided that they need to adopt a ruze that will attract more mainstream viewers without making the show less sci-fi.

Almost everyone is interested in Nazis: this may be a way to attract the casual viewer to ensure the shows survival?

Just my theory.
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Stravo wrote:Those two turds have zero talent between the both of them and contrinue to prove me correct at every turn.
Hence why I continue to remain thankful that Berman was so busy milking Generations and VGR that DS9 did not suffer overall from his idiocy - besides him creating it in the first place.
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