Voyager's Good points?

Sidious · Post by **Sidious** » 2004-03-22 07:29pm

In addition to the episodes mentioned above I have a few others I enjoyed.

"Basics Pt1" - The whole "Seska DNA love child" thing was entertaining in a soap opera kind of way. I also really liked the battle at the end with Voyager against 3 Kazon cap ships...well until that kazon prisoner blows himself up and ruins the fight.

"Living Witness" - The one where a planet remembers Voyager and her crew as 24th century Nazi tyrants, complete with uber-evil Janeway and executions left and right.

"Blink of an Eye" - Where Voyager gets trapped in orbit of a planet where time moves faster and somehow causes earthquakes and misery for the population as a resule for "centuries". A few seconds on Voyager = years on the planet.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-03-23 08:09am

"Basics Pt1" - The whole "Seska DNA love child" thing was entertaining in a soap opera kind of way. I also really liked the battle at the end with Voyager against 3 Kazon cap ships...well until that kazon prisoner blows himself up and ruins the fight.

The part 1 of Basics was horrible due to how the Kazon defeated Voyger and boarded her. Part 2 where the crew were stranded on a desert world was better.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-03-23 08:10am

"Blink of an Eye" - Where Voyager gets trapped in orbit of a planet where time moves faster and somehow causes earthquakes and misery for the population as a resule for "centuries". A few seconds on Voyager = years on the planet.

This is a great episode. I should have mentioned it in my previous posts.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-03-23 08:14am

evilcat4000 wrote:The part 1 of Basics was horrible due to how the Kazon defeated Voyger and boarded her. Part 2 where the crew were stranded on a desert world was better.

I hated part 2, but it did have Janeway order her crew to eat some worms. Remind me again why the crew follow her?

Part 1 was good, more or less, even though it had the silly battle. And the stupid "exploding prisoner" thing. It was stupid having Janeway order the self-destruct, then have the computer say "no can do, missy" - at which point she should have just rammed her ship into the nearest kazon ship (if she was serious about scuttling her ship, which obviously she wasn't). But it was much better than part 2.

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2004-03-23 08:22am

Stofsk wrote:
evilcat4000 wrote:The part 1 of Basics was horrible due to how the Kazon defeated Voyger and boarded her. Part 2 where the crew were stranded on a desert world was better.
I hated part 2, but it did have Janeway order her crew to eat some worms. Remind me again why the crew follow her?

Didn't some worms eat them?

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-03-23 08:24am

Sharp-kun wrote:
Stofsk wrote:
evilcat4000 wrote:The part 1 of Basics was horrible due to how the Kazon defeated Voyger and boarded her. Part 2 where the crew were stranded on a desert world was better.
I hated part 2, but it did have Janeway order her crew to eat some worms. Remind me again why the crew follow her?
Didn't some worms eat them?

YES!

Poor Hogan, once a goldshirt. Get's eaten in the first five minutes of the episode.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-03-23 08:31am

Another thing about Basics that annoyed was how the psycho guy locked up in the brig saved the day.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-03-23 08:34am

evilcat4000 wrote:Another thing about Basics that annoyed was how the psycho guy locked up in the brig saved the day.

Yes, but you can't go wrong with Brad Dourif. He's pretty cool... for a psychopath.

One good thing about Voyager, in season 2 it has my all-time favourite scene: Tuvok is trying to eat his Vulcan swill, Neelix comes up to him and annoys him, Tuvok coolly and calmly kills him. You gotta love Vulcans (even if they don't love you).

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-03-23 08:46am

That was a pretty cool scence even though it took place in the holodeck.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-03-23 11:44am

Ok, Voyager's ONE good point was "living witness." The doctor as an evil android was fucking cool. There were still a few points to that episode that could have been better, however... Like Janeway executing that one dude. It was cool, but why didn't she vaporize him? That would have been cooler.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-03-23 05:33pm

Sidious wrote: "Living Witness" - The one where a planet remembers Voyager and her crew as 24th century Nazi tyrants, complete with uber-evil Janeway and executions left and right.

As apposed to uber-morally-inconsistent Janeway, evil Janeway is just more... efficient.

Seriously, ST + Evil captains can't go wrong--There's Mirror, Mirror, and uh... well, they have a buttload of evil Admirals. In fact, the only admiral I can remember from TNG-era ST who wasn't evil was Admiral Nakamora (I think--the dad from "All American Girl").

"Blink of an Eye" - Where Voyager gets trapped in orbit of a planet where time moves faster and somehow causes earthquakes and misery for the population as a resule for "centuries". A few seconds on Voyager = years on the planet.

This was one of the best Voyager episodes I've ever seen, but I give most of the credit to Daniel Dae Kim (Angel's Gavin, the toady lawyer) and the rest of the credit to Robert Picardo.

I suppose I like the finale Endgame, but only because of Richard Whettstone's review of it.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2004-03-23 06:16pm

The Doctor was good.

Burak Gazan · Post by **Burak Gazan** » 2004-03-23 06:23pm

"Q2"

Possibly evil , but worth it

Son of Q removes Neelix's vocal cords and fuses his jaw shut --- that alone worth the price of admission

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-03-23 06:31pm

Q's son was annoying. and what's worse is he somehow pulled strings to get his real life son to play the part. *twitch*

Phantasee · Post by **Phantasee** » 2004-03-23 08:50pm

Uh, I liked Jeri Ryan in her catsuit too

...other than that, I'd have to say how the writers made Voyager something like an Imperial Star Destroyer in terms of invincibility (can such a small ship really take out an entire fleet, as Voyager has done, again and again?

) Because you would think they would have died by season 2 at the latest, but I guess it was interesting to watch them kick ass all the way across the DQ. I liked that crazy armour the Admiral Janeway brought back in time to get them all home quicker, as well as those new torpedoes...I enjoyed the scene where the half-assed attempt on the part of Starfleet to defend Earth from a Borg sphere, only to have the sphere blow up, and Voyager pop out

. I also like the way the CGI scenes of the ship going through space "evolved" with the story, like the introduction of some modified Borg tech resulted in some bits glowing green (and this was long after Seven tried to assimilate the ship). I think I'm beginning to ramble now...

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-03-23 10:50pm

Burak Gazan wrote:"Q2"

Possibly evil , but worth it Son of Q removes Neelix's vocal cords and fuses his jaw shut --- that alone worth the price of admission

Q2 was a decent episode. It was quite funny too.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2004-03-24 02:03am

Endgame, part 2.

The end credits.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2004-03-24 06:47am

I liked Distant Origien, the episode with the Voth and how they were the descendents of the Dinos. Their tech alone was damn impressive, beaming entire Starships around, energy dampening fields that shut down everything from warp cores to hand phasers, hand computers that downlaoded Voyagers entire computer core in about two seconds...

But the best part of the episode was when Chakotey directly challanged the leader to look the scientific truth in the eye, to see something just as nobel as she proclaimed, an enormous acheivement of their ansectors, clawing their way across space against enormous hardship.

Then, just when you think he's convinced her, she closes back up and falls back on the relgious line.

It was an interesting episode, directly paralleling the Creationist crap we have in our time and how people will simply close their eyes to the truth, desperate not to let their assumptions be broken.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-03-24 09:20am

Q2 was fucking horrible. Another B & B rewrite of Trek continuity gone horrible awry.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-03-24 10:46am

Distant Orgins was totaly illogical. Why did the Voth travel all the way to other side of the galaxy when they could settle another planet nearby ? And how come a race with the technology to cross the galaxy is affected by a mere asteroid impact ? It is almost as bad as Mission to Mars.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-03-24 11:26am

evilcat4000 wrote:Distant Orgins was totaly illogical. Why did the Voth travel all the way to other side of the galaxy when they could settle another planet nearby ? And how come a race with the technology to cross the galaxy is affected by a mere asteroid impact ? It is almost as bad as Mission to Mars.

also i believe in the episode the dino species mentioned that it would take them roughly the same time to cross the galaxy as Voyager. A species -that- advanced hasn't thought up something more efficient than warp, when a few other less advanced species have something much more efficient? (ie - quantum slipstream)

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2004-03-24 03:18pm

Darth_Zod wrote:
evilcat4000 wrote:Distant Orgins was totaly illogical. Why did the Voth travel all the way to other side of the galaxy when they could settle another planet nearby ? And how come a race with the technology to cross the galaxy is affected by a mere asteroid impact ? It is almost as bad as Mission to Mars.
also i believe in the episode the dino species mentioned that it would take them roughly the same time to cross the galaxy as Voyager. A species -that- advanced hasn't thought up something more efficient than warp, when a few other less advanced species have something much more efficient? (ie - quantum slipstream)

Uhhh no. The Voth have one of the fastest drive systems in Trek, a variation of Transwarp that on a small exploration craft gets them about 90 light years per SECOND. Give or take.

And the who knows why the Voth didn't settle in another planet in the AQ. 65 million years ago there may have been no realy good plaents for dinos to settle on in the AQ, hence the constent migration. Or perhaps they were as religiously fanatic as they are today, and 'HAD' to get to the Delta Quadrent for whatever reason.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-03-24 03:32pm

We have no idea what the political state of the galaxy was when the Voth left Earth. For all we know, they may have had to flee to the Delta Quadrant or else the local polity would have finished what the asteroid started.

It's a shame the Voth were an alien of the week. There was so much potential wasted there.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2004-03-24 03:48pm

The reason why I don't sight Voyager's good episodes is that when anything actually good comes from Voyager the effects never lasted longer then the end of the episode. As Chuck once said, the last episode may as well have been the second episode.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2004-03-28 06:59am

Another episode I would like to add is 'Latent Image'.

The idea behind it is that the Doctor had a problem with his program, a problem generated with it that could not be resolved. He was faced with two patients who were both going to die, he only had time to save one. He decided to save Harry Kim and later couldn't live with it.

So Janeway instead of trying to help him simply deleted the memory files and ignored him.

Until later when Seven helped him recover the memory files. Janeway at first simply tried to delete them again, though he easily outwitted her with Sevens help. Then when it was shown that she was behind it, she just decided to wipe it clear to a far more final level, restoring him to his original configuration.

The truly kickass bit of the episode was when Seven *BITCHSLAPED* Janeway verbally about how SHE let the Doctor evolve beyond his original programming, now she simply discards him and refuses to take responsibility. And that she was quite possibly mistaken in her choice of role model for Humanity.

The speech she gives Janeway makes it one of the episodes I really felt I liked the Seven of Nine character. And Picardo did a wonderful job as well.