Enterprise - Third Season Finale and Fourth Season opener

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-02-05 06:35pm

JME2 wrote:
Dahak wrote:
JME2 wrote: I personally believe it has potential and that it's finally starting to get there, in part thanks to tonight's episode, 'Stratagem' which I thought was an excellent and clever episode. I'm just getting tired of all this buildup since the Xindi homeworld was found destroyed centuries earler than it should have been in the season opener. I want to know dammit!
You haven't watched Babylon 5 I reckon?

That Xindi-"arc" is B'n'Bs pitiful attempt at a story arc. Of course, they're failing utterly.
Babylon 5 managed to carefully, slowly build up to a war over several seasons, and managed to make it thrilling, exciting. ENT just fails at a story arc...
No, I admit to never having watched Babylon 5.

Then, do yourself a favour and watch it.
Granted, the FX are a bit outdated by todays standards (but they were the first to make full use of CGIs), but the writer/creator/producer/god wrote episodes with depth, character development, drama. And did a 5 year story arc.
And then compare it to the Xindi-arc attempt...

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-02-05 09:26pm

Dahak wrote:
JME2 wrote:
Dahak wrote: You haven't watched Babylon 5 I reckon?

That Xindi-"arc" is B'n'Bs pitiful attempt at a story arc. Of course, they're failing utterly.
Babylon 5 managed to carefully, slowly build up to a war over several seasons, and managed to make it thrilling, exciting. ENT just fails at a story arc...
No, I admit to never having watched Babylon 5.
Then, do yourself a favour and watch it.
Granted, the FX are a bit outdated by todays standards (but they were the first to make full use of CGIs), but the writer/creator/producer/god wrote episodes with depth, character development, drama. And did a 5 year story arc.
And then compare it to the Xindi-arc attempt...

I shall attempt to, though DS9 is still the master of Trek's story arcs.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-02-05 10:59pm

JME2 wrote:I shall attempt to, though DS9 is still the master of Trek's story arcs.

If you think that about DS9, you're going to love B5.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-02-06 08:45am

[quote="JME2]I shall attempt to, though DS9 is still the master of Trek's story arcs.[/quote]
It was a rather good thing.
But they still managed to dumb it down, like giving away the secret of the Founders after just a few episodes.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-02-06 09:11am

Admiral_K wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:In that case, you're either very apologetic or delusional.
No, I actually watch the show from time to time instead of reading reviews about episodes and letting them shape my oppinions.

Then you have extremely poor taste. I've watched most of the first two seasons, and I've tuned into parts of the third (mostly the ones that everyone claims are "good") and they all suck ass. Enterprise takes the worst aspects of DS9 and Voyager and puts them together to create something beyond terrible. This show simply needs to get cancelled and if Paramount wants to save the Star Trek franchise, they need to clean house, then shelve everything Star Trek for a decade till they can come at it from a new angle in a fresh climate. As it stands right now, Star Trek is dead and Enterprise is a perfect example of what killed it.

You're welcome to voice your opinion, but I'm equally entitled to ridicule it AND that lame-ass show.

Admiral_K · Post by **Admiral_K** » 2004-02-06 09:16pm

Which episodes from season 3 have you seen? If you don't know the names, give me the general theme. Otherwise I'll have to dismiss your oppinion as uninformed.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-06 09:21pm

And why is that?

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-02-06 09:24pm

Admiral_K wrote:Which episodes from season 3 have you seen? If you don't know the names, give me the general theme. Otherwise I'll have to dismiss your oppinion as uninformed.

You'll dismiss my opinions as uninformed? Heaven forbid!

Anyways here you go,

The Xindi
Anomaly
Impulse
The Shipment
Twilight
Chosen Realm
Proving Ground

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-02-06 09:24pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:And why is that?

Because he's a self-righteous Trekkie who knows he's right.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-06 09:26pm

I'd call him more of an apologist, but he is indeed quite a pompous ass.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-02-06 10:03pm

The Kernel wrote:
Admiral_K wrote:Which episodes from season 3 have you seen? If you don't know the names, give me the general theme. Otherwise I'll have to dismiss your oppinion as uninformed.
You'll dismiss my opinions as uninformed? Heaven forbid!

Anyways here you go,

The Xindi
Anomaly
Impulse
The Shipment
Twilight
Chosen Realm
Proving Ground

Each one was interesting in its own regard for myself, especially the alternate future depicted in 'Twilight' and the discovery made at the end of the 'The Xindi'.

Admiral_K · Post by **Admiral_K** » 2004-02-07 04:15am

The Kernel wrote:
Admiral_K wrote:Which episodes from season 3 have you seen? If you don't know the names, give me the general theme. Otherwise I'll have to dismiss your oppinion as uninformed.
You'll dismiss my opinions as uninformed? Heaven forbid!

Anyways here you go,

The Xindi
Anomaly
Impulse
The Shipment
Twilight
Chosen Realm
Proving Ground

Hmmm for a series you supposedly hate, you sure have seen alot of episodes... Assuming ofcourse you didn't just pull the list from a website. either way, it's mighty strange.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-07 04:18am

God, what the fuck is with you?

You have no reason not to believe him, so I'd just accept that he is telling the truth and has seen those episodes, because honestly, he has no reason whatsoever to lie to you about something so God damn fucking trivial.

And sometimes, people do like to watch things that they don't actually like. I do it all the time.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-02-07 04:26am

Admiral_K wrote: Hmmm for a series you supposedly hate, you sure have seen alot of episodes... Assuming ofcourse you didn't just pull the list from a website. either way, it's mighty strange.

An interesting tactic you have here. If I were to answer that I hadn't seen the episodes you accuse me of ignorance, and if I say I have you can accuse me of lying. This is an extremely dishonest tactic to say the least.

I think under the circumstances, I'll give my proper response to slimy weasels like you which is to say FUCK YOU.

Admiral_K · Post by **Admiral_K** » 2004-02-07 01:01pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:God, what the fuck is with you?

You have no reason not to believe him, so I'd just accept that he is telling the truth and has seen those episodes, because honestly, he has no reason whatsoever to lie to you about something so God damn fucking trivial.

And sometimes, people do like to watch things that they don't actually like. I do it all the time.

Hmmm Very strange indeed.

Admiral_K · Post by **Admiral_K** » 2004-02-07 01:09pm

The Kernel wrote:
Admiral_K wrote: Hmmm for a series you supposedly hate, you sure have seen alot of episodes... Assuming ofcourse you didn't just pull the list from a website. either way, it's mighty strange.
An interesting tactic you have here. If I were to answer that I hadn't seen the episodes you accuse me of ignorance, and if I say I have you can accuse me of lying. This is an extremely dishonest tactic to say the least.

I think under the circumstances, I'll give my proper response to slimy weasels like you which is to say FUCK YOU.

Don't take yourself so seriously. It was never my intention to "trick you". I simply wanted to know what episodes you have seen that are forming your oppinion. The fact that you'd seen so many cought me off guard basically for this reason: for a show you supposedly want canceled, you don't seem to miss many episodes. I haven't even seen all of the ones you listed. Obviously, there isn't any other show you'd rather be watching in its timeslot, or at least one of its re-run timeslots. So why so much hate? Even if you think the series is bad, its obviously not MST3K Bad, or "Plan 9 from outer space" bad.

And the REASON I brought it up is most of the people here bashing the series have only seen a few episodes, and the rest of their oppinion is formed by the oppinions of others. If you really have seen all those episodes, and still hate the series I simply have to wonder why you continue to watch.

Don't worry, there was no conspiracy. And I have no reason to be use a "dishonest" tactic. You can resume your regularly scheduled Ent Bashing. Be sure to catch the next episode Wednsday at 7 so you can run the forum and post how its inferior to TOS!

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-07 01:28pm

I hope you did not just imply that MST3K was a bad series...

Admiral_K · Post by **Admiral_K** » 2004-02-07 03:00pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I hope you did not just imply that MST3K was a bad series...

Certainly not, merely that the movies they made fun of were bad.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-02-07 03:39pm

Admiral_K wrote: And the REASON I brought it up is most of the people here bashing the series have only seen a few episodes, and the rest of their oppinion is formed by the oppinions of others. If you really have seen all those episodes, and still hate the series I simply have to wonder why you continue to watch.

Why do I continue to watch? Interesting question, at first it was because I am an old school TOS Trekkie and I was hoping for a return to the series roots. When it turned out Enterprise was never going to deliver that (despite certain positive traits) me and my best friend (who is also a TOS Trekkie) had gotten used to hanging out on Wenesday and watching the show, so now we do it out of habit and the desire to critisize it and compare it to superior forms of Trek. It's a guilty pleasure, but it can be fun.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-02-09 12:34am

Dahak wrote:[quote="JME2]I shall attempt to, though DS9 is still the master of Trek's story arcs.

It was a rather good thing.
But they still managed to dumb it down, like giving away the secret of the Founders after just a few episodes.[/quote]

Well, if you look at it from another viewpoint, it was a great way to do a new take on Odo and add new dimension to him. Here was a character that had made in clear as far back as Emissary that he didn't know where he had come from and that he wanted to find his people.

What a shock to realize in the third season that he found his people, but they were the leaders of an orginization whose principles were against everything he had always believed in, thereby starting a character-arc for Odo that would continue up until What You Leave Behind.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-02-16 07:16pm

I'll admit it, I have seen EVERY episode of enterprise except the latest one (only seen half of it).

Why? Well I liked the first season (I hadn't seen Voyager at the time) and I am a Trek fan at heart.

So the series gets worse and worse, and I keep hoping that the episodes will start getting better (once in awhile they do, but then they quickly go downhill again).

I watch other stuff too, but I don't base my opinion just on what other people say about it. However a lot of people bashing the show ARE RIGHT (at least I agree with 'em).

In terms of action and such the third season is picking up from the terrible second one, but it still leaves a lot to be desired and they do recycle a lot of plots from Voyager (which was notorious for recycle plots from earlier Treks and itself). And yes, with every nod to past continuity they break it ten other places.