Berman may very well get the boot

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-01-30 02:31pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Dennis Toy wrote:ok, who are the others in the pics
There I cannot help you.

The robot is Mazinger Z, a 70s super robot by Go Nagai.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-01-30 02:50pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:
Dennis Toy wrote:ok, who are the others in the pics
There I cannot help you.
The robot is Mazinger Z, a 70s super robot by Go Nagai.

I think I have a little die-cast version of Mazinger stored somewhere. I'm not sure if it's the exact same character since the one I have is part of the Shogun Warriors line. It looks an awful lot like the one in the sig and I'm pretty sure his name was Mazinger.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2004-01-30 02:55pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:
Aya wrote:I think Roddenberry's (Hail Roddenberry!) son should replace Berman, while Stravo replaces Bragga.
who will then introduce 201 gigaton phaser arrays

Yummy.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-01-30 03:05pm

The Aliens wrote:As long as they replace Berman, and not fire him- because that would leave Braga in uncontested control.

That is too horrible to even contemplate.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2004-01-30 03:30pm

JME2 wrote:
Aya wrote:I think Roddenberry's (Hail Roddenberry!) son should replace Berman, while Stravo replaces Bragga.
The Former: Yes. It's not Trek without a Roddenberry on board (DS9 being the exception).

The Latter: YES. Stravo is the master storyteller. If there's anyone who could turn ENT around it's him.

But ... but ... where would we get our fix of Starcrossed from? What about the Twilight War, Cain and Abel, Split Infinities and Judgement of Steel? Who will be able to stop Chuck Sonnenburg from dominating the GSDA's (Have we had the 2003 ones yet?

)?
Are we willing to pay this price?

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2004-01-30 03:49pm

Tsyroc wrote: It looks an awful lot like the one in the sig and I'm pretty sure his name was Mazinger.

There is also a Great Mazinger toy (with the big v-shaped chestplate) that was sold as the Shogun Warrior Mazinga.

Shaidar Haran · Post by **Shaidar Haran** » 2004-01-30 03:49pm

Stravo wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:They're FINALLY seeing that something's wrong with the show, now? I guess that's good, in a way, but I also think that the damage may have already been done.

I think the last poll we ran here indicated that the show we really needs to tale a 5-10 year break in order to shed all the craptastic baggage it has accumulated. The franchise has been horribly mangled and really needs time to lie fallow and start fresh sometime in the future. I don't think the answer is a new show.

Of course the problem is that Trek: The Franchise needs a TV show on constantly in order to hawk cheesy shit to dementented fanboys. Trek never had the selling power of a Star Wars so it's rather essential to keep it in the public eye. Now more than every with the alienation of the old shows loyal fanbase.

Trek does desperately need at least something of a break, maybe not one of a decade, but at least a few years. But more than anything it needs to have people that'll treat it with a little respect.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-01-30 04:05pm

Shaidar Haran wrote:
Of course the problem is that Trek: The Franchise needs a TV show on constantly in order to hawk cheesy shit to dementented fanboys. Trek never had the selling power of a Star Wars

Surely that could be remedied by adding a few teddy bear races, or a wacky CGI character that the kiddies would just love to buy action figures of.

Soulman · Post by **Soulman** » 2004-01-30 05:34pm

TheDarkling wrote:
Shaidar Haran wrote:
Of course the problem is that Trek: The Franchise needs a TV show on constantly in order to hawk cheesy shit to dementented fanboys. Trek never had the selling power of a Star Wars
Surely that could be remedied by adding a few teddy bear races, or a wacky CGI character that the kiddies would just love to buy action figures of.

Or if they move from the seven season model to one where they make 3-4 episode mini-series each with a different focus and cast they can make new mechandising line for each mini-series. So Trek would end up like Dr Who but without a central character.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-01-30 11:40pm

Soulman wrote:Or if they move from the seven season model to one where they make 3-4 episode mini-series each with a different focus and cast they can make new mechandising line for each mini-series. So Trek would end up like Dr Who but without a central character.

That would work, in my humble opinion. Instead of getting 26 episodes of largely mediocre content, you put all your energies into a short arc, with one of the goals being to observe consistency. There won't be a need for the dreaded reset button, so everything that occurs in the mini-series will have a beginning, middle and end - and preferably, the end could be loose enough to tie in a sequel mini-series.

Because you're not wasting money on a lot of episodes the miniseries get the very best resources. The scope and scale of the story could only improve as a result. Think how well the Dominion War arc could've gone if you could cut the fat off from the show? There wouldn't be a need for the reset button, so SoA's deus ex machina ending would be avoided. There wouldn't be a need to tell stupid stories, so the Dax/Worf marriage wouldn't take place in the middle of a warzone, nor would we have diversions to the holosuite with Sinatra-clone/wannabe etc. The style for a mini-series would necessitate tight, consistent storytelling.

And there's the problem: it's a blatant move away from 'traditional' trek storytelling, namely the one-episode wonders with the reset button pushed at the end. Not that I want that 'tradition' to continue, but maybe some people are so indoctrinated that they won't recognise a possible mini-series as Star Trek? That could be a possible detriment. Of course, since most fans (at least, to my knowledge) hate this kind of storytelling, it might be a gust of fresh air into a stale room.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-01-30 11:47pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:
Aya wrote:I think Roddenberry's (Hail Roddenberry!) son should replace Berman, while Stravo replaces Bragga.
who will then introduce 201 gigaton phaser arrays

Turbophasers!

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2004-01-31 06:14am

I hope both of them get removed from their seats and replaced with cunning people who do know that 1 + 1 = 2.

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2004-01-31 07:53am

Dennis Toy wrote:ok, who are the others in the pics

A pox on you for not recognising Mazinger Z, the first ever Super Robot!

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2004-01-31 03:25pm

Dark Primus wrote:I hope both of them get removed from their seats and replaced with cunning people who do know that 1 + 1 = 2.

Wtf? 1+1 is 2? Holy shit.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2004-02-05 11:09pm

Lord Poe wrote:Interesting that they're moving Enterprise to 9pm. To avoid its pummeling by "Smallville" at 8pm, no doubt.

but they are gonna be walking into a pummeling from the other WB show ANGEL. To let it do well they would have to put it on Monday or something (and by 'something' I mean get better scripts).

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2004-02-05 11:36pm

Problem, on Monday, it goes against Monday Night Football and WWE Raw

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-02-06 02:27am

Death from the Sea wrote:
Lord Poe wrote:Interesting that they're moving Enterprise to 9pm. To avoid its pummeling by "Smallville" at 8pm, no doubt.
but they are gonna be walking into a pummeling from the other WB show ANGEL. To let it do well they would have to put it on Monday or something (and by 'something' I mean get better scripts).

Angel is certainly more interesting than Enterprise. No way Enterprise is pulling me away from it.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-02-06 02:42am

Durandal wrote:
Death from the Sea wrote:
Lord Poe wrote:Interesting that they're moving Enterprise to 9pm. To avoid its pummeling by "Smallville" at 8pm, no doubt.
but they are gonna be walking into a pummeling from the other WB show ANGEL. To let it do well they would have to put it on Monday or something (and by 'something' I mean get better scripts).
Angel is certainly more interesting than Enterprise. No way Enterprise is pulling me away from it.

ANGEL!

Each to his/her own eh?

.........how the mighty have fallen.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-02-06 02:46am

The proper saying is "To each his own." And it's an excellent show.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-02-06 02:51am

Durandal wrote:The proper saying is "To each his own." And it's an excellent show.

Ah, I always have a hard time remember the exact wording of phrases. I was also attempting to be gender friendly.

I'm just kidding about Angel though, nothing wrong with enjoying it. I don't personally like the show but we all have our own tastes.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-02-06 02:51am

Death from the Sea wrote: but they are gonna be walking into a pummeling from the other WB show ANGEL. To let it do well they would have to put it on Monday or something (and by 'something' I mean get better scripts).

Smallville does considerably better than Angel, nor are Enterprises ratings that much different from Angels (Angel usually performs better but on the odd week Enterprise skips ahead).