Would you accept Q's offer to Riker

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Ted C wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Amanda Rogers shoots your entire theory apart Ted C.
Exactly how?
How can someone who was apparently born human have access to technology that you claim the Q are using? Amanda was very clearly born as a Q and her powers were "super natural", not technological.
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Maybe the Q powers are genetic, and when appearing as a human the gland or what ever shit makes you a Q is repressed. I'm not a scientist and i know thats a wild theory but is that possible?
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Lord Pounder wrote:Maybe the Q powers are genetic, and when appearing as a human the gland or what ever shit makes you a Q is repressed. I'm not a scientist and i know thats a wild theory but is that possible?
If it were Genetic and Q were technological then John DeLance would not have been required to see if Amanda was indeed Q. Furthermore when John was teaching Amanda, he would have gone into detail about how she access the technology rather then showing her how to get her fondest desires.
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Alyeska wrote:
Ted C wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Amanda Rogers shoots your entire theory apart Ted C.
Exactly how?
How can someone who was apparently born human have access to technology that you claim the Q are using? Amanda was very clearly born as a Q and her powers were "super natural", not technological.
Gather round, kids. Alyeska has just provided a textbook example of the "Non Sequitur" fallacy.

So Amanda Rogers could use the Q powers, therefore those powers must be "supernatural" rather than technological, eh? How so? Please enlighten us about the theoretical mechanism behind the "supernatural" explanation, and how it predicts this phenomenon while a technological explanation cannot do so.
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Ted C wrote:
Shrykull wrote:What about the dogs Amanda created in True Q?
Disappeared when she stopped thinking about them; no evidence they were "real".
Shrykull wrote:Why wouldn't he be able to create living things if he can make things atom by atom.
Is there any object that Q has created that has remained behind after his departure? I can't think of one.
Maybe not, but there was that time, when he moved the moon back to it's normal orbit and it's still there.
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Shrykull wrote:Maybe not, but there was that time, when he moved the moon back to it's normal orbit and it's still there.
What does that have to do with making sentient beings? The Enterprise could have eventually done that, given enough time and fuel.
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Alyeska wrote:How can someone who was apparently born human have access to technology that you claim the Q are using? Amanda was very clearly born as a Q and her powers were "super natural", not technological.
My claim has nothing to do with whether Q powers are natural or technological; I simply observed that we've never seen Q create a living thing. Every living thing -- indeed every unliving thing, too, AFAIK -- that a Q has created has disappeared by the time the Q departed. Where is the evidence that they can arbitrarily create permanent objects, let alone independent living organisms?
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Shrykull wrote:Maybe not, but there was that time, when he moved the moon back to it's normal orbit and it's still there.
What does this incident have to do with Q's supposed ability to create a living organism? I'm not disputing his ability to affect objects that already exist.
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Ted C wrote:
Alyeska wrote:How can someone who was apparently born human have access to technology that you claim the Q are using? Amanda was very clearly born as a Q and her powers were "super natural", not technological.
My claim has nothing to do with whether Q powers are natural or technological; I simply observed that we've never seen Q create a living thing. Every living thing -- indeed every unliving thing, too, AFAIK -- that a Q has created has disappeared by the time the Q departed. Where is the evidence that they can arbitrarily create permanent objects, let alone independent living organisms?
Has there ever been a scenario Q created where there would be a reason for him to keep the beings he created around after it ended?
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pecker wrote:
Ted C wrote:Where is the evidence that Q can arbitrarily create permanent objects, let alone independent living organisms?
Has there ever been a scenario Q created where there would be a reason for him to keep the beings he created around after it ended?
Maybe not, but that doesn't matter. The burden of proof is to show that he can create them, not to prove that he can't.
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Robert Walper wrote:The cigar he gave Picard just when Picard was about to order "make it so"?(if you recall the episode in question)
Actually, he was about to give the order "engage," while performing the standard Two Finger Wave.
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