bye bye B&B....

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2003-12-09 11:11am

it's probably too late to save Enterprise. . . .it's been going down the crapper for so long i doubt it can be revived.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-12-09 12:14pm

hopefully the son of Roddenberry will be able to get rid of B&B.

Sothis · Post by **Sothis** » 2003-12-09 03:19pm

Ah, who knows? I'm gonna be optimistic about this- on a slightly related note, anyone surprised that DS9's producers were going behind Berman's back to get things done?

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-12-09 03:23pm

Death from the Sea wrote:hopefully the son of Roddenberry will be able to get rid of B&B.

Let's try to remember that GR was also guilty of pussifying the Federation and instituting a Communist like system of government with families on straships and where people could never ever have a dark side or even be gray.

B&B may have killed it but Gene started that horrible slide when he had creative control. Gene has always been good when he's been reigned in by others as he was in TOS and later TNG and when he's dead (Earth Final Conflict first three seasons, Andromeda first season and a half.)

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-12-09 03:28pm

Stravo wrote:
Death from the Sea wrote:hopefully the son of Roddenberry will be able to get rid of B&B.
Let's try to remember that GR was also guilty of pussifying the Federation and instituting a Communist like system of government with families on straships and where people could never ever have a dark side or even be gray.

B&B may have killed it but Gene started that horrible slide when he had creative control. Gene has always been good when he's been reigned in by others as he was in TOS and later TNG and when he's dead (Earth Final Conflict first three seasons, Andromeda first season and a half.)

You mean he was ressarected after season two of Andromeda? And took up creative control?

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2003-12-09 04:44pm

Hopefully Jr here will be given a powerful voice to say when the fans cries out for B&B's heads.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-12-09 05:43pm

Stravo wrote:Let's try to remember that GR was also guilty of pussifying the Federation and instituting a Communist like system of government with families on straships and where people could never ever have a dark side or even be gray.

Sorry I'm not sure when in the series he bit the dust, but didn't Tasha Yar contridict this a couple of times? Like when she went and got something from the ship's stores, or the fact that she had spent much of her youth avoiding rape gangs? Or was someone else responsible for that?

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-12-09 05:47pm

anarchistbunny wrote:
Stravo wrote:Let's try to remember that GR was also guilty of pussifying the Federation and instituting a Communist like system of government with families on straships and where people could never ever have a dark side or even be gray.
Sorry I'm not sure when in the series he bit the dust, but didn't Tasha Yar contridict this a couple of times? Like when she went and got something from the ship's stores, or the fact that she had spent much of her youth avoiding rape gangs? Or was someone else responsible for that?

Tasha Yar did not grow up in the Federation. Her world descended into anarchy and chaos, hence the rape gangs and the reaosn why she was allowed to be slightly gritty. EVERYONE in the Federation during Roddenberry's tenure was fucking perfect.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-12-09 05:49pm

Dark Primus wrote:Hopefully Jr here will be given a powerful voice to say when the fans cries out for B&B's heads.

From the sound of it, he has no power whatsoever, and would merely be a fan consultant.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-12-09 10:53pm

Crazedwraith wrote:
Stravo wrote:
Death from the Sea wrote:hopefully the son of Roddenberry will be able to get rid of B&B.
Let's try to remember that GR was also guilty of pussifying the Federation and instituting a Communist like system of government with families on straships and where people could never ever have a dark side or even be gray.

B&B may have killed it but Gene started that horrible slide when he had creative control. Gene has always been good when he's been reigned in by others as he was in TOS and later TNG and when he's dead (Earth Final Conflict first three seasons, Andromeda first season and a half.)
You mean he was ressarected after season two of Andromeda? And took up creative control?

I think he's confused Gene with his wife Majel. She had a say in both of those during the times mentioned.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-12-10 04:46pm

Stravo wrote:
anarchistbunny wrote:
Stravo wrote:Let's try to remember that GR was also guilty of pussifying the Federation and instituting a Communist like system of government with families on straships and where people could never ever have a dark side or even be gray.
Sorry I'm not sure when in the series he bit the dust, but didn't Tasha Yar contridict this a couple of times? Like when she went and got something from the ship's stores, or the fact that she had spent much of her youth avoiding rape gangs? Or was someone else responsible for that?
Tasha Yar did not grow up in the Federation. Her world descended into anarchy and chaos, hence the rape gangs and the reaosn why she was allowed to be slightly gritty. EVERYONE in the Federation during Roddenberry's tenure was fucking perfect.

Ahhhh, ok.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-12-10 04:54pm

Dark Primus wrote:Hopefully Jr here will be given a powerful voice to say when the fans cries out for B&B's heads.

I've met him. When he was asked about Enterprise and Voyager, he politely cool and simply stated that he was 'not involved in his mother's projects'. He would say no more, but I got the idea that he wasn't very happy with them either.

*shrug* Who knows for sure.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2003-12-10 11:27pm

LadyTevar wrote:I've met him. When he was asked about Enterprise and Voyager, he politely cool and simply stated that he was 'not involved in his mother's projects'.

Voyager and Enterprise were his mother's projects? That's weird. I just assumed Majel had nothing to do with either show.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-12-11 01:00am

Could be an estate thing.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-12-11 02:12am

Montcalm wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:
Patrick Degan wrote:All we need now is video of a screaming Berman and Braga being dragged to a guillotine on the hangar deck set, hearing their terrified cries of "Vive le Roi!" as the blade comes down on them in turn.
No no, not painful enough. I say explosive decompression.
Too fast they need a slow and excrutiatingly painfull death.

Howabout graduated decompression/compression or using a dive tank/nitrogen narcosis as a torcher instriment?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2003-12-11 02:31am

You've read Without Remorse too many times.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-12-11 03:26am

Benchley did it too...

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-12-11 03:32am

Not to mention Ian Flemming and whoever writes those Mack Bolan novels did that too.