DS9 Weapons Systems in "Way Of The Warrior"

[TheDarkling]

SISKO
The station facilities are
Cardassian in origin. Much of our
equipment is incompatible with
Federation technology.

The computer of DS9 being Cardassian meant they couldn't have an EMH therefore the computer seems to have a hard time interfacing with federation equipment, any performance drop (although I see no evidence of such) could easily be attributed to this.

[Lord Poe]

SISKO
The station facilities are
Cardassian in origin. Much of our
equipment is incompatible with
Federation technology.

This was the first episode, when they first took over, correct? This has already been addressed.

[Alyeska]

Poe, since when is ST:M canon? All your references from it are irrelevent.

[FTeik]

Well, there was this episode, where Sisko´s crew had to deal with computer-sabotage comitted by the bajoran resistance years ago and this other incident, where a security-program installed by Gul Dukat became active, when it thought the Federation-personal to be uprising slave-workers. Kira and Co. lost total control over the Ops.

But i would think it impossible, that such systems were still active at the time of Way of the Warrior.

[TheDarkling]

SISKO
The station facilities are
Cardassian in origin. Much of our
equipment is incompatible with
Federation technology.

This was the first episode, when they first took over, correct? This has already been addressed.

No this was half way through season 5, after the events of WotW.

[Master of Ossus]

IIRC, the blasts fired in "Emissary" were not true phaser blasts. O'Brien jury rigged something to try and "make them think twice," but I can't remember what he was screwing around with. It might have been some phaser system.

[Lord Poe]

Poe, since when is ST:M canon? All your references from it are irrelevent.

Alyeska, why are changing your tune? I got on your case for using the non-canon TM, and you said, "Well Mike uses it!" So fine, use it. I said as much in the first damned post. ST:M says they use only info that is aired, and from reference books SUCH AS the TM.

[Alyeska]

IIRC, the blasts fired in "Emissary" were not true phaser blasts. O'Brien jury rigged something to try and "make them think twice," but I can't remember what he was screwing around with. It might have been some phaser system.

I seem to recall them being fired through the phasers. I think the phaser power systems themselves were out and so O'Brien had to use something else to power the phasers and he got a couple shots out of it.

[Alyeska]

Poe, since when is ST:M canon? All your references from it are irrelevent.

Alyeska, why are changing your tune? I got on your case for using the non-canon TM, and you said, "Well Mike uses it!" So fine, use it. I said as much in the first damned post. ST:M says they use only info that is aired, and from reference books SUCH AS the TM.

Actualy I said I use it as supporting evidence. Right now your using the ST:M as your primary evidence. I never use non-canon information as the core of my argument, only to support theories or ideas I got from canon sources.

Do you have any canon sources that agree with you? The Darkling has already posted more information that shreds your position and this ignores the whole bit with the Cardassian computers still being used.

[Master of Ossus]

IIRC, the blasts fired in "Emissary" were not true phaser blasts. O'Brien jury rigged something to try and "make them think twice," but I can't remember what he was screwing around with. It might have been some phaser system.

I seem to recall them being fired through the phasers. I think the phaser power systems themselves were out and so O'Brien had to use something else to power the phasers and he got a couple shots out of it.

That could be it. I remember that they looked like phasers, but they had some sort of cool lightning-effect when they actually hit the Galors.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Burden of proof lies on you Poe. All evidence indicates they are still Cardassian ....

.. and within Starfleet standards....

Cardassian technology has never been within Starfleet standards.

[TheDarkling]

IIRC, the blasts fired in "Emissary" were not true phaser blasts. O'Brien jury rigged something to try and "make them think twice," but I can't remember what he was screwing around with. It might have been some phaser system.

O'BRIEN
They may just be testing us...
I could run a pulse compression
wave through the phaser banks,
put out a blast that'll make them
think twice...

[Kamakazie Sith]

Or, alternatively, the targeting capabilities of DS9's weapons were much less than perfect.

Correct. There is no evidence that any other ships exist.

Besides the torpedo cams which clearly showed ships out of visual range.

[Lord Poe]

No this was half way through season 5, after the events of WotW.

Episode name please? I'd like to check the context.

This would invalidate the TM and ST:M. That means Starfleet installed state of the art weapons, but didn't install proper weapons SYSTEMS to use these weapons properly then? You tell me which makes sense, and what you'd rather go with, since this thread is meant to stand to answer this nagging question, finally.

Again, I'd like the episode name for the above quote, to check the context, please.

[Sharp-kun]

Or, alternatively, the targeting capabilities of DS9's weapons were much less than perfect.

Correct. There is no evidence that any other ships exist.

Besides the torpedo cams which clearly showed ships out of visual range.

So we see torpedo's vanish into the distance, with not even a flash to indicate a hit? At the same time, DS9 is getting pummelled badly by the more immediate threat.

Idiocy. You deal with those that are your biggest threat, then you go for the rest.

Aside from that, how do you know the torpedo cams show ships out of range?

[Kamakazie Sith]

No this was half way through season 5, after the events of WotW.

Episode name please? I'd like to check the context.

This would invalidate the TM and ST:M. That means Starfleet installed state of the art weapons, but didn't install proper weapons SYSTEMS to use these weapons properly then? You tell me which makes sense, and what you'd rather go with, since this thread is meant to stand to answer this nagging question, finally.

Again, I'd like the episode name for the above quote, to check the context, please.

If installing proper weapons systems included tearing out the entire computer system? Keeping the existing computer system would have made sense given the political situation at the time.

I'm searching for the episode from which that quote originated.

[TheDarkling]

Episode name please? I'd like to check the context.

“Doctor Bashir I Presume”, Zimmerman comments that he is surprised they don't have an EMH and Sisko responds with the above.

This would invalidate the TM and ST:M. That means Starfleet installed state of the art weapons, but didn't install proper weapons SYSTEMS to use these weapons properly then? You tell me which makes sense, and what you'd rather go with, since this thread is meant to stand to answer this nagging question, finally.

Considering O'Brien was worried about the weapons blowing the station up I don’t think it is a stretch to assume that the job wasn't entirely routine.

[Lord Poe]

Actualy I said I use it as supporting evidence. Right now your using the ST:M as your primary evidence.

Incorrect. I'm using it as SUPPORTING EVIDENCE you back up the CANON misses seen in WOTW.

I never use non-canon information as the core of my argument, only to support theories or ideas I got from canon sources.

As do I, in this case. ST:M uses canon and supporting materials when they wrote their articles. Just like you (and me)

Do you have any canon sources that agree with you?

Yes, DS9's "Way Of The Warrior", season 3, I believe.

The Darkling has already posted more information that shreds your position and this ignores the whole bit with the Cardassian computers still being used.

No, he posted one quote from an (as yet) unnamed episode. I want to check the cobntents to make sure Sisko wasn't referring to the refreshers or something. I don't know if you realize it, but id true, he has invalidated
your TM sources as well.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Correct. There is no evidence that any other ships exist.

Besides the torpedo cams which clearly showed ships out of visual range.

So we see torpedo's vanish into the distance, with not even a flash to indicate a hit? At the same time, DS9 is getting pummelled badly by the more immediate threat.

Idiocy. You deal with those that are your biggest threat, then you go for the rest.

Aside from that, how do you know the torpedo cams show ships out of range?

Patrick theory made a bit of sense for that so called idiocy.

Because as the torpedoes closed on the ships more appeared inside visual range.

EDIT* If anyone has the DVD perhaps they could confirm this. I have to take into account the fact that the quality of my clip isn't that great.

[Lord Poe]

Episode name please? I'd like to check the context.

“Doctor Bashir I Presume”, Zimmerman comments that he is surprised they don't have an EMH and Sisko responds with the above.

Considering O'Brien was worried about the weapons blowing the station up I don’t think it is a stretch to assume that the job wasn't entirely routine.

No onesaid it was. It just has to work.

[TheDarkling]

No onesaid it was. It just has to work.

Exactly, weapons working at diminished ability due to constraits are better than no weapons at all.

[Jason von Evil]

You have to admit though, the way the turrents popped out and spun around was cooler than hell.

[Kitsune]

Burden of proof lies on you Poe. All evidence indicates they are still Cardassian ....

.. and within Starfleet standards....

I don't know why they would have left in the Cardassian Computers, it is too easy for them to put some kind of trap in there and they would probably have problems interfacing with Federation systems.

I would assume that if they did leave in the systems, then they did some type of test and that the misses we got would have happened with Fedartion systems as well. Granted, if I remember, some of the misses showed some pretty poor fire control.

[Lord Pounder]

Could the turrets have been human controlled? We all know how shitty a Red Shirts aim is.

[Sharp-kun]

Could the turrets have been human controlled? We all know how shitty a Red Shirts aim is.

Doubt it, they seemed to all be controlled from ops.