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Robert Treder wrote:Well, it's the 5th, and my Amazon pre-order still says "Estimated Ship Date: Aug 3"

But BN.com doesn't list the book as pre-order anymore, so I'll give their stores a second look.

Canada seems to have gotten it early, if that adds salt to your wounds.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:

Robert Treder wrote:Well, it's the 5th, and my Amazon pre-order still says "Estimated Ship Date: Aug 3"

But BN.com doesn't list the book as pre-order anymore, so I'll give their stores a second look.

Canada seems to have gotten it early, if that adds salt to your wounds.

My guess is that they got it the same as everybody else, but they just put it out early. At least, they do that with movies all the time.
The film industry has lobbied enough to make it possible for retailers to be steeply fined for breaking street date. But in Canada, where Hollywood's greedy paws can't affect (or haven't yet affected) the legislators, they street product as soon as they can.
I wouldn't be surprised if the book industry has a similar situation.

Canadians are always dreaming up a lotta ways to ruin our lives. The metric system, for the love of God! Celsius! Neil Young!

Galvatron wrote:Canadians are always dreaming up a lotta ways to ruin our lives. The metric system, for the love of God! Celsius! Neil Young!

Actually, Metric and Celcius are made to save the world.

To hurt Americans we use Celine Dion.

Neil Young's done more damage.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Neil Young's done more damage.

Maybe over there. *shudders*

Don't forget the horror that is Alanis Morrisette.

But Canada balances this out by providing us with such fine comedians.

Robert Treder wrote:Don't forget the horror that is Alanis Morrisette.

But Canada balances this out by providing us with such fine comedians.

Like Bill Shatner?

I just got mine today at Indigo and my God 'tis one fine book

Loads and loads of info on all the locations. Here's some cool facts I picked out from what I've read so far.

-Apparently, Yoda's home is hand-made from mud, stones, and salvaged parts from a Republic-era spacecraft.

-17 out of a fleet of 30 rebel X-Wings and GR-75 medium transports were destroyed by the Imperial blockade.

-The main reactors of Echo base (not the shield power generator), are stolen parts from a derelict Praetor-class Star Battlecruiser

-The Death Star project was funded by many factions, including the Trade Federation, the Muunilinst Banking Clan, the Techno Union, and the Republic itself

-The Death Star prototype built at the Maw Installation is mentioned

-After the Hoth battle-theatre shield was brought down, the base was opened to direct enemy infiltration and ranged-weapon bombardment from the orbiting Star Destroyers

-A shield generator protects Cloud City from near-space bombardment and/or laser fire

This book is absolutely fantastic (albeit it does have a couple glaring typos), and I recommend that all of you purchase a copy if you can. Toronto Area posters, I rummaged through chapters online and it appears as if nearly every Chapters or Indigo store in the area has a few copies.

What kind of typos? They don't affect the information given by the book, do they?

Ender wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:I must say however I personally disagree with the assertion by Dr. Saxton that the Executor is a Star Dreadnought; it is far more dedicating of its mass and volume to carrier and command operations than to outright ship-to-ship fighting.

I would refer to Giel's flagship as an example of an Imperial Star Battleship, and perhaps the Soveriegn and Eclipse as proper Star Dreadnoughts.

Also, the classification of the Executor as a Star Supercarrier or Star Commandship made it much easier to justify some of the incidents it got spanked in the EU with wimpy force.

The term probably comes from Luceano and not Drl. Saxton, as he has always used the term "command Ship" prior to this.

Not likely. Saxton is and always has advocated the notion of "Star [class]" designations - something Luceno has never shown any partticular interest in in any of his books. Its quite probably from Curtis himself, particularily since the AOTC ICS made mention of a "Star Dreadnaught" in the Acclamator entry/pages too (the Mandator and Procurator, remember?)

Master of Ossus wrote: That showed a ridiculous lack of integrity, on Pablo's part.

Dishonest, but clever in a way. If these folk were more technically minded, we'd have a more of a problem with them than we do now.

However, it indicates clearly that the debris existed and was a serious problem.

How so? If anything, it makes no suggestion about the scale or severity - it just says some debris was heading towards Endor.

OT:ITW wrote: "The explosion of the second Death Star sent a rain of meteoric debris toward the forest moon, but the rebel fleet was able to deploy shields and tractor beams to deflect debris away from their strike team on the surface*."

It precludes the use of planetary shielding by either the Alliance or the Empire (since the Rebels wouldn't have bothered screening the correct area if they had a planetary shield ready to go).

How so? It doesn't deny the existence of planetary shielding explicitly. Besides, te only planetary shield present was the one surrounding the Sanctuary moon, and that had a big-ass area (at least comparable in diameter to the Death Star) that would be uncovered due to the shield generator they blew to hell. The Rebel fleet would still be needed to cover that gap as best as they can (which is still part of the problem, even with shielding present.)

What's even more ludicrous is that the quote can be interpreted to mean that the Rebels WERE actually able to deflect all the debris away without harming the planet, irrespective of how ludicrous that may sound. That's just how problematic the lack of scale is for the quote.

It correctly points out that the Alliance fleet didn't even know about the Ewoks, and was concerned only with extracting their commando team.

The fact they were unaware of the Ewoks was well established in the novelization itself, if not the movie.

It resolves any lingering difficulties with fitting the Holocaust-scenario into the film itself by explaining how the Alliance could've been partying later (nuclear winter effect hadn't set in, yet). Frankly, it strikes me as destroying the fan-whore position for these things.

I'm afraid it doesn't settle anything. In fact, it creates a whole new series of problems (as that idiot Valiento has started to demonstrate, i believe.)

As for the "celebration", that is STILL a difficult to reconcile problem with the whole "Holocaust" scenario, and continually will be (which is why I am glad none of the anti-holocaust sort aren't that technically-minded.)

True, but life just got harder for him and his chronies.

In alot of ways yes, but not in the case of the Endor Holocaust, at least.

I imagine it's talking about instantaneous dissipation rates, since that's the format that was used by the Acclamator and comparisons between the relative strength of the shielding of the two ships make sense that way. Surface area may or may not matter, but that's the maximum theoretical shielding of all of the different shield sections combined.

My point is is that its not a good comparison, at least not for the purposes of debate. The context leaves it open to too many interpretations, some of them quite dishonest (like with the "Fate of Endor" quote.)

Mange the Swede wrote:About the canon issue, it really doesn't matter if the book is C or G-level canon as Chee today made it clear that C and G level form an overall, not separate, canon (and don't forget that it's closer to the films). While we already knew that, I think it was good that we got it spelled out:
+http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jsp?f ... msRange=25

It sounds as if this book is worth a look judging from Icehawk's description.

G or C level canon is something of a joke, as it implies that Lucas' opinion on matters outranks the movies themselves (Which is ludicrous among those who still think Greedo didn't shoot first, for example.)

Executor wrote:

Ender wrote:Some rough calcs, this puts the executor at about 1.2e27 watts for power generation, and Mon Cal cruisers with a firepower of 4-5 times that of the ISD

Wouldnt mon cals firepower be higher then this, if the Executor shields are 5000 times an Acclamator that makes them around 80,000 TT per second (16 TT for the Acclamator IIRC) there was what a dozen mon-cals at endor of various types, they would each need to put out over 6,000 TT a second each to drop the shields of the executor, thats if the shields were fully down before the Executor hit the DSII

First off, watts and joules aren't the same thing regarding shields. Secondly, they did have those "ram ships" they used on Star Destroyers at the battle of Endor. I could see them having plowed a few of those into the Executor.

Ender wrote:Hmmm, that gun count for the Executor is still way too low. We saw almost a thousand turrets on it, and that translates into over 7000 HTLs (though some could be ion cannons), and then you have all the PD guns.

Two steps forward, one step back.

Where did we see a thousand turrets, and how does that translate to 7000 TLs?

We've never been sure what the bumps on the Executor represented (of which I can only recall "hundreds", not thousands.) I'm more inclined to believe Curtis, because we can't be sure what justifications or sources he had to draw on for that conclusion (maybe he got to finally see the ship up close and make such measurements.)

my copy shipped! I could have it tomorrow or monday.

Darwin wrote:my copy shipped! I could have it tomorrow or monday.

Where did you order it from?

I would have run out to look for a copy tonight, but I decided to stay home and have sex instead. Maybe tomorrow.

President Sharky wrote:-The Death Star prototype built at the Maw Installation is mentioned

This tells me there's a high chance that the reports of an under-construction DS being built in Episode III are likely wrong.

Connor MacLeod wrote:Where did we see a thousand turrets, and how does that translate to 7000 TLs?

Dr. Saxton's Executor page extrapolates the number of bumps, and it adds up to almost a thousand. I pointed out to Ender earlier in the thread that the "7000" number is based on an assumption that "turbolasers" means barrels rather than turrets, and that each turret is an Avenger type.

We've never been sure what the bumps on the Executor represented (of which I can only recall "hundreds", not thousands.) I'm more inclined to believe Curtis, because we can't be sure what justifications or sources he had to draw on for that conclusion (maybe he got to finally see the ship up close and make such measurements.)

Yup.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:What kind of typos? They don't affect the information given by the book, do they?

No just minor grammatical errors and such, nothing impacting the information, just a minor annoyance.

President Sharky wrote:
-The main reactors of Echo base (not the shield power generator), are stolen parts from a derelict Praetor-class Star Battlecruiser

Hrrrrmpf.

If this goes on, there will be no "-tor"-endings left for modern KDY-ships during the time of the OT.

Cool, they used Praetor just like I suggested! (on this board, not personally to anyone involved in ITW).

If this goes on, there will be no "-tor"-endings left for modern KDY-ships during the time of the OT.

Does it matter? For all we know, there may be a Praetor-class Star Battlecruiser in Episode III. We already have the Venator-class Star Destroyer, after all.

Darth Wong wrote:I would have run out to look for a copy tonight, but I decided to stay home and have sex instead. Maybe tomorrow.

I can't believe you'd put sex before Star Wars. You must be getting soft in your old age there.

Galvatron wrote:

Robert Treder wrote:Don't forget the horror that is Alanis Morrisette.

But Canada balances this out by providing us with such fine comedians.

Like Bill Shatner?

No, like John Candy, Jim Carry, Dan Akroyd, Mike Myers, Martin Short, Steve Smith...