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Thanas wrote:Alright, the cat is out of the bag regarding the reasons for the refit. The turrets are being replaced with newer models to accommodate the SH shells. Lascaris earlier asked about the cost of refits, here is what it cost me to switch the turrets to make them capable of superheavy shell firing:

Österreich class: (10 16.5"): 32 points per ship, 6 months
L20alpha: (12 16.5"): 32 points per ship, 6 months
Einheit class (14 16.5"): 40 points per ship, 6 months
Ziethen (9 16"/50): 32 points per ship, 6 months
Note: The turrets are being replaced only. No change to machinery, armor belt, armor deck and other main systems.

The way Steve and I come up with this is that superheavy shells generally result in a weight gain of 3-4000 tons. So we took that times 8, with 32 points being the lower limit we set.

Thanas wrote:Easy. I started research on it in Q1 1925. I even invested IBPs in it, which I did not get back.

You can find the exact start in the tech agreement I made with the US, done in a story post, which gives me access to more than three years of design work they already did on the subject in OTL before it was abandoned due to WNT.

EDIT: Oh, and I also got this approved by the mods.

Lascaris wrote:

Thanas wrote:Easy. I started research on it in Q1 1925. I even invested IBPs in it, which I did not get back.

You can find the exact start in the tech agreement I made with the US, done in a story post, which gives me access to more than three years of design work they already did on the subject in OTL before it was abandoned due to WNT.

EDIT: Oh, and I also got this approved by the mods.

Right. First we are told there is no mechanism for that kind of research, before the establishment of the research rules, then someone is allowed as much. Ok TV guided bombs and cruise missiles it is then and the hell with it.

Lascaris wrote:Oh come to think of that since when the Bayern class got 16in guns instead of 15?

Lascaris wrote:
Right. First we are told there is no mechanism for that kind of research, before the establishment of the research rules, then someone is allowed as much. Ok TV guided bombs and cruise missiles it is then and the hell with it.

Steve wrote:

Lascaris wrote:

Thanas wrote:Easy. I started research on it in Q1 1925. I even invested IBPs in it, which I did not get back.

You can find the exact start in the tech agreement I made with the US, done in a story post, which gives me access to more than three years of design work they already did on the subject in OTL before it was abandoned due to WNT.

EDIT: Oh, and I also got this approved by the mods.

Right. First we are told there is no mechanism for that kind of research, before the establishment of the research rules, then someone is allowed as much. Ok TV guided bombs and cruise missiles it is then and the hell with it.

From the start of the game people were permitted to put IBPs into research programs, with a vague idea that once they'd researched for so long with so many overall IBPs we'd give them a breakthrough/success. Then, later on, as part of patching of the haphazard rules I added the research slots and the prospect of putting definitive dates of completion for all projects.

If you don't like this, the door is over there. Don't let it hit you on the way out.

Thanas wrote:As a compromise, I am quite willing to give up the SH shell nation (AKA everyone gets sh shells) if I get to use my research slot for another technology instead.

Of course, refit costs should still apply to everybody, with the same limits etc.

Also, any response to my canal plan yet?

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:

CmdrWilkens wrote:

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Since when did we have such a rule?

SML has existed since the game started, if you suddenly jumped you AD army to be 60% of your available manpower (per Army Focus) then you would be an SML 4 nation, it would be pretty damn hard to do though.

Erm yes I know of this rule. But no where last I checked was there any prohibitions against jumping from step to step.

Not to mention, in the context of the Naval Focus, jumping from 4 to 5 can be actually bloody easy, by building just 6 50,000 tonne battleships.

Steve wrote:I believe I returned IBPs to people who wasted them? I'm sure I did it for Shinn. And technologies were considered as researched as of January 1925 or whenever someone started.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:

Steve wrote:I believe I returned IBPs to people who wasted them? I'm sure I did it for Shinn. And technologies were considered as researched as of January 1925 or whenever someone started.

Erm ... does that mean I get to shave off time on the research? Because I planned on superheavy shells, radar, and many other things, just by slamming down a huge number of IBPs per quarter. I allocated 400 over IBPs in 2 years no less.

Thanas wrote:

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:

Steve wrote:I believe I returned IBPs to people who wasted them? I'm sure I did it for Shinn. And technologies were considered as researched as of January 1925 or whenever someone started.

Erm ... does that mean I get to shave off time on the research? Because I planned on superheavy shells, radar, and many other things, just by slamming down a huge number of IBPs per quarter. I allocated 400 over IBPs in 2 years no less.

I thought you already got a huge surplus...wasn't that the money from the research projects?

loomer wrote:I have too many IBPs. This should not be an issue but somehow it is.

loomer wrote:I have too many IBPs. This should not be an issue but somehow it is.